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16 - 07 - 2007
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Mike Small (Fife, Guardian): The Council of the Isles meets in Belfast today for the first time since nationalists joined or led the governments of Scotland, Cymru and Northern Ireland. The Westminster Government probably sees it as a piece of baroque constitutional artifice, box-ticking for the extremities, a nod to the recalcitrant Celtic fringe. But for the host, Ian Paisley, the Council (as his predecessor David Trimble put it) "makes it possible for Unionists to contemplate an institutionalised relationship between Belfast and Dublin".

The North-South Ministerial Council, a key institution of the Belfast Agreement, will meet the following day in Armagh. Dr Paisley has made a point of emphasising that the East-West relationship should have equal billing with the North-South link, which is why the two institutions are meeting on the same week.

Officially, the British-Irish Council (as Unionists refer to it) concentrates on eight subject areas: drugs, health, the environment, the knowledge economy, social inclusion, tourism, transport and minority languages. Ho hum and small beer, yet plenty there for leaders like Salmond to get his teeth into. While the talk is of ‘conciliation and co-operation' the council will give the Scottish Government a platform to challenge perceived iniquities of the British State. For minority language expect broadcasting: a digital channel for Gaelic and the return of the Scottish Six. For social inclusion expect a challenge to the Blairite economic orthodoxy (or mocking references to the ‘Union Dividend'). For environment expect Trident 2 and new nuclear to emerge.

At this, the first meeting between Gordon Brown and Alex Salmond, talk will turn again to two models, that of UK - Eire relations and that of how the Scandinavian nations relate to each other. For Salmond the Council is not just a platform for glad-handing and grandstanding, it is a way of exposing the iniquities of current power relations. While the English political classes are stuck like a broken record on Barnett, the comfortable myths of subsidy-junkiedom and West Lothian, the world moves on.

Speaking last year Salmond couldn't have been clearer about his hopes for the group: "I believe this provides a starting point but with Scottish independence there will be an opportunity to develop and improve our co-operation based on the Nordic model. We would all benefit from a new Council of the Isles."

To what extent diplomatic posturing will feed the egos of elected politicians remains unclear. But vastly different expectations and projections settle on today's meeting. One thing is sure, the shifting plates of British Politics are moving, and they may be moving quicker than Brown can hand down a Constitutional fix.

Two days before being pipped to the post in Scotland, Gordon Brown made the extraordinary statement that he would find it "impossible" to work as prime minister with a Scottish National party-led government in Edinburgh if its leader, Alex Salmond, refuses to abandon his "dangerous and disastrous" plans for independence.

It seems that much at least has changed.

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Phil Hambling (not verified) said:

Tue, 2007-07-17 15:45

Mike,

I agree that independence would be beneficial all round and would go a long way towards puting an end to the culture of blame that exists between the constituent nations of the UK. The good relations that exist between the English people and those in the Republic of Ireland, especially since terrorists wraped in the green, white and orange have stopped bombing English people in their name, are a prime example of how independence has liberated the minds of the Irish people in the 26 counties. If their economy takes a dip it's Bertie's fault, not the feckin' English!

Charlie Marx (not verified) said:

Mon, 2007-07-16 23:16

I am obliged to point out that the most populous nation in the UK, England, was not represented -- nor were its "regions" (for which there are now ministers). The obligation comes from having been permitted to joi the Winanagemot Club, a circle of bloggers pro-devolution for england -- I'm not the only Marxist member, but certainly the only Marksist!

Charlie Marx (not verified) said:

Mon, 2007-07-16 23:17

And about Paisley... are you sure he aint dead already? What happened to Dr No -- i don't miss him...

Mike Small (not verified) said:

Tue, 2007-07-17 14:20

I don't think it would be a bad thing at all, no Phil. I think it could be hugely culturally liberating for England, and economically greatly beneficial to Scotland.

My point is that the federal compromise doesn't actually realet to the issues raised and the questions asked. We're now in the odd position - if Carol's response is anything to go by - that many people in Scotland have a very positive idea of what independence could be about - while much of the putative moves for English "independence" would be based on either a sense of rejection ("Send them on their way for goodness sakes") - or more worryingly on a different sort of xenophobia - witness the great rise of support for the BNP and UKIP in England.

It would be great if 'self-determination' could be a virtuous circle for new ideas amonmgst the four nations - rather than a vicious circle of blame and bile.

carol banks (not verified) said:

Tue, 2007-07-17 12:43

Send them on their way for goodness sakes. Lets have an independent England

Phil Hambling (not verified) said:

Tue, 2007-07-17 11:54

Mike,

Would the dissolution of the UK be a bad thing? From an English perspective I don't think so.

Mike Small (not verified) said:

Tue, 2007-07-17 10:34

Phil Hambling raises a good point, though it is difficult to see how this perceived lack of representation of England is resolved without dissolution of the UK.

The idea of a federal set-up answers none of the issues raised by nationalists and republicans about the power of the British State.

Charlie Marks (not verified) said:

Mon, 2007-07-23 22:17

I second your thoughts on independence for the nations of the UK, Mike. I don't think that you could count UKIP with the BNP, though -- not that I have time for either, but it is worth noting that UKIP is attempting to appeal to the right of the Tories, whereas the BNP try to win votes from disilusioned Labour supporters.

Mike Small (not verified) said:

Mon, 2007-07-16 20:49

Good point, and without being morbi, the reality is that Iain Paisley is 81, so cant have too long left in active politics.

Were he to go and the SNP to continue their popularity things could get very interesting.

It may not just be Gordon Brown who is considering a snap election.

Phil Hambling (not verified) said:

Mon, 2007-07-16 17:59

So Bertie Ahern is there to represent The Republic of Ireland, Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness are representing Northern Ireland. The Scots have sent Alex Salmond, Wales Ieuan Wyn Jones. The Isle of Man, Jersey and the States of Guernsey have got Tony Brown, Frank Walker and Mike Torode respectively representing them, oh and Gordon Brown is there for "Britain". Who exactly then is there on behalf of the English then?

gwe (not verified) said:

Mon, 2007-07-16 16:14

You may like to point out that since Plaid Cymru's Ieuan Wyn Jones was there today in place of recuperating Welsh First Minister Rhodri Morgan, Gordon Brown was the only representative of any government that belonged to a 'Britsh' party.

Mike Small (not verified) said:

Thu, 2007-07-19 12:12

Or indeed - the demilitarisation of Ireland has offered a prime example of how English people could be liberated to see themselves in a non-Imperialist role.

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