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Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy


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Led by none other than Karl Rove, the Republican spin machine has taken it to a whole other level with the assault on Dick Durbin. For those not familiar with this latest imbroglio, in the course of a long speech on the floor of the US Senate, Senator Durbin (Illinois) quoted a, by now, quite familiar passage from an FBI agent’s report about things witnessed at Guantanamo ( . . . . prisoners left naked, chained to the floor, exposed to severe extremes of temperature, lying in their own excrement . . .). Durbin then went on to make a quite unexceptionable observation that hearing such things, without being made aware of the source, would leave one believing one had heard something done by the Nazis, or in Stalin’s gulag, or in Pol Pot’s Cambodia, not something done by Americans to prisoner’s under their control. (Would anyone, and certainly any American, contend they would believe Americans capable of such acts, and the Nazis/Stalin/Pol Pot et al would not be capable of them?) Setting aside the profoundly discomforting reality that such acts, have been perpetrated against prisoners under American control after 9/11, the vast Right Wing spin machine turned on Durbin as if he had done nothing less than make a complete and absolute identification between America and Nazi Germany. The claim was breathlessly and insistently put forward, not only to berate Durbin, but, I strongly suspect, to draw attention away from Bush and Co.’s recent difficulties with Iraq – explicitly including the Downing Street Memo. It was all followed up with an “appropriately” indignant demand that Durbin apologize for making so heinous an identification. The game extended to “outrage” over the danger at which the identification(!) had placed our soldiers in the field. The suggestion of a congruence between the Nazis and Americans had of course been made not at all by Durbin, but was an exclusive conjuring of the spin machine. So great a firestorm did they whip up, and so genuinely affected were so many Americans at “the identification”, that Durbin tearfully apologized before the US Senate for giving an “impression” he had clearly in no way intended. It was, of course, an “impression” they had suggested and successfully saddled him with. It was all capped by Rove in a rare public appearance in NYC with some finely tuned lines: What Durbin SHOULD have done, with particular reference to our troops in the field, was to quote me: merest hint of these things should have caused the American government to react like it had been hit with a hot poker. The capacity of such matters to undermine everything we stand for as a nation, everything we are attempting to achieve in that area of the world, and to paint bulls-eyes on the backs of our serving men and women is so clearly apparent, that anything other than the most vigorous response is unconscionable. Yet, as the questions raised by the IRC began to emerge, all the administration could do was retreat into process. What it should have done, at that first glimmer of trouble, was to have gone before the American people and the world with a statement like the following: “Disturbing rumors have come to our attention that there have been violations of important agreements relating to the handling of prisoners. While we are investigating, and have no desire to institute kangaroo court proceedings against anyone, we want it understood that the American government and this administration unequivocally condemns any and all such violations in the most emphatic terms. Anyone participating in such actions as have been alleged, and anyone found to have been complicit, will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. We understand the damage this could do to American interests in the Middle East and around the world, and the risks it presents to our serving men and women in the field, to be a National Security matter of the greatest importance. For those reasons, we urge anyone with any relevant knowledge to come forward with their evidence. It will be considered by this government and this administration to be an act of the highest patriotism, one urgently required by the safety and well-being of our troops in the field. Such behaviors as have been alleged are all too likely to render American serving men and women targets for acts of revenge and madness." Statements like as that by the President, the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State, and the Attorney General in the highest profile arenas, and repeated all along the chain of command were an absolute requirement for a responsible government. And what we got instead was process. Even as the first fruits of that process, the report of General Anthony M. Tuguba, began to circulate in official circles in January and February of 2004, there was no reaction by the administration. No reaction, despite the fact that Tuguba explicitly validated the rumors, and stated that the evidence supported a contention that the abuses were “systemic”. The inference is that what happened was not simply the result of a “few bad apples”, but of laxity and confusion all along the chain of command: laxity and confusion, sown from the top, and lethal to American interests, and the lives of our men and women in the field. All the subsequent investigatory evidence that has come to light validates Tuguba’s initial proposal that the failure was indeed “systemic”. [It is exactly what Colin Powell had feared when he wrote a memo opposing the administration’s proposal to back away from our historic commitment to strict adherence to the Geneva Accords.] Only when the photographs began to appear (Sy Hersh published a couple of them in the New Yorker with his initial article on Abu Ghraib), did the administration begin to address the question openly. Then it retreated right back into “process”. A Washington Post editorial pointed out, as the subsequent “process” began to detail “systemic” problems, the administration continued to try to sweep it all under the rug. And thus far, even through a Presidential election campaign, it has managed to be successful. The failure was nearly irredeemable after we failed to react immediately as proposed above, but such a reaction at any time could be presumed to allay at least some of the animosity directed at our troops, and perhaps some of the furies to which they have fallen prey. Process alone will not do, nor will sweeping the matter under rug, effectively punishing only the poor grunts down where the rubber met the road. Such statements as the administration has made have been few and far between, and of little impact. Combine that with no substantive deeds respecting laxity and confusion in the chain of command, now definitively documented, and you define failure, both practical and moral, beyond toleration.”> This business with Durbin is arguably the second installment of a new Conservative campaign - the first targeted the Newsweek/Koran episode. The all too obvious incitement “misbehaviors” in the treatment of Muslim prisoners and detainees, now widely documented, offers for violence against American personnel was studiously ignored by Conservatives ever since those first horrific Abu Ghraib photographs appeared. The main stream media proved all too complicit. Seeing now, at long last, an opportunity to pin a threat to our men and women in the field on Liberals and Lefty Media, Conservatives pounced. It is beyond cynicism. It is disgrace. [P.S. This is the third time I have posted the quoted material above on OpenDemocracy. I make no apologies, all things considered, since it has elicited no riposte from the administration’s apologists here in the past – at least beyond some trivial spluttering. Possibly they did not wish to draw attention to it, having nothing they can say.] Message was edited by: ronr327



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Harrumph! Sputter sputter. Fume. (Mutter). Henry Hart



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ronr327, An excellent insight into the wickedness of the Bush outfit and its leadng gunslinger, Karl Rove. henry_hart's eloquent response demonstrates in one sentence the utter bankruptcy of the apologists and henry's own high degree of articulacy. Message was edited by: brolly3



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Re: Rove, Durbin and Conservative Perfidy
ron327, Are your wet dreams always this long?



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tt, I am coming to the conclusion that the most appropriate response to a very great deal of what you post here would be: Shoo Fly! And I must note the pro admin. people here STILL have said nothing in re the post which leads this string.



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ronr327, I am coming to the conclusion that the most appropriate response to a very great deal of what you post here would be: WAKE UP! What's that in your hands? Yuk!



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Perhaps, Ron, the reason there's been no riposte is that no perceivable lunge has been detected in your repeated (and somewhat breathlessly indignant) posts. Politicians on one side have impugned the motivations of a politician on the other side? Heavens! Say it ain't so. I, for one, just can't get all worked up about it. And I'd feel the same had it been Democrats castigating (and inflating) the comments and motivations of a Republican. It's part and parcel, unfortunately, of our increasingly divided two-party system. Not a day goes by, seemingly, that someone in Congress isn't offending, or taking offense at, something someone else in Congress has said. My reaction? Yawn. HH



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Henry, Now THAT’s disingenuous. Does anyone (ANYONE!) doubt that if a Democratic administration had been in charge for Abu Ghraib, what I have written above would have been hammered out incessantly, trumpets blaring, drums beating, 24/7 by the right wing wind machine. “Breathless indignation” wouldn’t have been a thousandth, a ten-thousandth, of it. And YOU KNOW IT! There are two central themes in what appears above. Conservative hypocrisy is the lesser matter, and if it doesn’t disturb you, I guess I couldn’t be surprised. The principle matter is what any responsible, not to say moral, administration should have done when Abu Ghraib first came to its attention. About that nothing has been said, because nothing can be said.



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Ronr: I'm sorry you didn't like my answer. You really ought to calm down a little, though. You're sounding a little hysterical. From your first post, above: "Setting aside the profoundly discomforting reality that such acts, have been perpetrated against prisoners under American control after 9/11, the vast Right Wing spin machine turned on Durbin as if he had done nothing less than make a complete and absolute identification between America and Nazi Germany." I took this as an invitation to set aside the actual Abu Ghraib abuses (sorry if I misinterpreted you) and address your idignation at Durbin's treatment. After your last, though, I will address your concerns about the Abu Ghraib abuses and the administration's reaction: The abuses were unfortunate. Whether they constitute a systemic problem is unclear (to me). I am hopeful that, if such is the case, appropriate steps have been taken to make sure such abuses do not continue. The administration's response to the abuses seems to me to have been measured and appropriate. I do hope this message does not cause you as much consternation as my last reply. HH



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Henry, Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose. I know what you think. You are asked to defend it. Refer to our previous colloquy on whether or not the Bush administration’s actions in the wake of 9/11 constituted wisdom. You made the flat statement you believed they did, and offered a few perfunctory examples over which argument was middling to non-existent. The 1000 pound Baghdadi elephant in the living room was ignored. Your ability to transcend “inconveniences” borders on the sublime. Any honest study of the series of reports extending from Tuguba through Schlessinger richly supports the conclusion that there was a failure of command and control, which the administration has never addressed. As to hysteria, that was the right wing wind machine (cum echo chamber) on Durbin. And to observe that was the merest patch on what we would have heard if Abu Ghraib could have been laid at the feet of Democrats, would be the understatement of the year.



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Gotta love it: Rove in Jail! "And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury." http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839



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Joanne Nee, Bravo. Well done. It needs someone like you to show the henry_hart's and the Ttrryosborn's that all is not right with the US, apart from the rest of the world. These people try to give the impression that the US is the greatest country on earth. Well, no one is arguing with the subtltey and philosophical brilliance of the US Constitution, nor the scenic beauty and grandeur of country, nor the inate qualities of the people. What is at stake is the peace and security of the world in an age when there is potential disaster from global warming, impending conflict over scarce resources and the effects on the Third World of globalization.It is at such a time that one wishes for an enlightened and clever President and not an intellectually challenged, semi literate usurper surrounded by a cabal of neocons, whose aims are to be able to intimidate potential economic rivals to the US through military means and a vast expenditure to gain supremacy. Who would destroy the UN, which is the institution designed by a previous generation of wiser US leaders, to help avoid disastrous conflict. Who believe that the way to win hearts and minds is to use a 'shock and awe' bombardment of Baghdad, which was not militarily necessary but was to demonstrate what lies in wait for any nation that would dare to disregard the wishes of the US.One could go on and on. You have shown how much the ruling elite and their supporters among the billionairs are using the war on terror to divert attention away from the sicknes and poverty in their own backyard. A classic technique that has been used so often by political leaders throughout the world, who have never shirked taking their countries to war or to suppress the uprisings of the poor and needy, while pointing to some external, often manufactured threat.



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Its Official: Rove Fingered "Mr. Cooper's decision to drop his refusal to testify followed discussions on Wednesday morning among lawyers representing Mr. Cooper and Karl Rove, the senior White House political adviser, according to a person who has been officially briefed on the case. Mr. Fitzgerald was also involved in the discussions, the person said. In his statement in court, Mr. Cooper did not name Mr. Rove as the source about whom he would now testify, but the person who was briefed on the case said that he was referring to Mr. Rove and that Mr. Cooper's decision came after behind-the-scenes maneuvering by his lawyers and others in the case. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/07/politics/07leak [...]



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Join the Karl Rove Death Pool Today! "Subject: Rove/P&C," (for personal and confidential), Cooper began. "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation..." Cooper proceeded to spell out some guidance on a story that was beginning to roil Washington. He finished, "please don't source this to rove or even WH [White House]" and suggested another reporter check with the CIA. http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek/


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