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The White indigenous British people
I would like to ask what I feel to be the most important question on immigration, and asylum.
Why has no one ever asked the British people what they want?
Submitted on Sat, 2003-10-25 00:24
Re: The White indigenous British people
I'd hardly define "The white indigenous British people" as "the British people".
This is a sad, narrow view of the interesting and complex community that I live in.
In fact, most of us would struggle to prove 'indigenous' status beyond a couple of generations. This quickly descends into debates about whether Irish or French descendants are British - very dubious territory.
In any case, British people get asked for their view at every election in this country.
Re: The White indigenous British people
Can you please show me a policy on asylum and immigration that was available at the last General Election, that people would have known they had voted on, I have looked everywhere, and cannot find a document telling British people that their land was about to be changed by immigration and asylum, forever.
Re: The White indigenous British people
If you are presenting yourself as an 'indigenous British' person then I suggest you get to know your own history a bit better. Britain has been changed radically throughout the last 2000 years by the various different racial and cultural groups that have immigrated to or invaded the country. As a huge centre of trade there has always been a mixing of races. London in Elizabethan times was as multicultural as it is nowadays. Your ignorance is a deep embarrassment to me as a British person. You have bought into a discourse of race and skin colour discrimination fostered by people who don't really care about you but only about their own political troublemaking. Get yourself educated!!
Re: The White indigenous British people
England has never been multi-ethnic by design or desire, usually by conquest,and today we find a conquest by third world immigration. Without a shot being fired, Liberal Left England has rolled over on its socialist back,wallowing in PCP (Politically Correct Procrastination) and fear of someone finding out about its compromise with evil, while outside on the small Isles of Britannia we find tents are being pitched and camels double parked.
Re: The White indigenous British people
You mean by conquest of Africa and Asia by British colonialists?
Solana
Re: The White indigenous British people
moonboxer is entirely correct that the remarkable demographic transformation of the last two generates has occured without reference to the wishes of the electorate.
Had any government placed in its manifesto that their intention was to increase the ethnic population by 80 to 100 hundred thousand every year for the next 50 years they would have been soundly defeated, and rightly so.
Re: The White indigenous British people
> London in Elizabethan times was as
> multicultural as it is nowadays.
Is there a source available for this remarkable assertion?
Re: The White indigenous British people
you could try http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/society_culture/society/brighter_lights_04.shtml
Being on the BBC kids website does suggest that it's not something soooooooooo controversial!
Re: The White indigenous British people
There is a very interesting article that you can read here:
http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~benjamin/316kfall/316kunit4/studentprojectsspring/group2/rushdie.html
Noone should be surprised or outraged by the enormous change in the european population during the 20th century. Do you think that you could colonize most of the population of the earth and never hear from them again? Acculturation (a culture infused into another one) is not a one-way process, as is well suggested in the expression "The Empire Writes Back".
It is exactly the same thing in France. We colonised eastern and african cultures, and now our population is easternized and africanized. We didn't ask those people what they wanted before colonizing and acculturating them, why should they ask us?
DJ
Re: The White indigenous British people
> We colonised
> eastern and african cultures, and now our population
> is easternized and africanized. We didn't ask those
> people what they wanted before colonizing and
> acculturating them, why should they ask us?
>
> DJ
So by the same curious logic we (the British and the French) should be entitled to kick them all out just as the Indians and Algerians did us. Then everybody is back to square one, right?
Re: The White indigenous British people
[So by the same curious logic we (the British and the French) should be entitled to kick them all out just as the Indians and Algerians did us. Then everybody is back to square one, right?]
What they kicked out was the occupation and oppression, not the culture and population we brought them. What they are doing now is infuse their own culture and population into our own - and not doing so because they want a sort of revenge, but because now that their culture and history is deeply linked to our own they consider us to be part of them and vice-versa. NOW we're back to square one.
DJ
Re: The White indigenous British people
Let's get back to the original assertion which was that the 'white indigenous British people' should be asked.
First off, Britain is a political invention (just ask the Scots or the Welsh...).
Secondly, how do you define 'indigenous' on a set of islands whose population has been historically composed of migrants and whose people have also emmigrated all over the world.
Finally, why does skin colour matter?
My family is a mixture of Scots, Polish-Jewish, French Hugenot, Irish and American. Some of these roots came from assylum, some from economic migration, some I have no idea. I am proud of them all.
Let's all grow up a little and abandon these racist little-Britain assumptions. The problems of poverty, exclusion and unequal distribution of wealth and resources in the UK are not down to immigrants but to broader political economic processes.
Re: The White indigenous British people
Moonraker, Perseus_1
There is a way of registering your opposition to the immigration - through the British National Party. The majority of the British population are not averse to managed immigration; if they were, you are right, they would vote for the BNP. Until this happens I am afraid the majority of the British population are not with you on immigration.
Re: The White indigenous British people
'LOOK, I'M A NATIVE AN' I DON'T WANT NO BLEEDIN NATIVES LIVIN' RAHND 'ERE'
I forgot to add there is an interesting article in the new humanist (sep 2003) by Adam Kuper on the issue of indigenous rights.
Re: The White indigenous British people
here is my open letter to tony blair regarding immigration
www.btinternet.com/~danielle.mccarthy/deartonyblair.htm
i am fed up with this country opening its doors without thinking of the consequences. i live on an estate where if u blink, u miss the english person, and we all suffer from it.
Re: The White indigenous British people
How ironic and pathetic we can be... if I was just a little bit more cynical, I would laugh my head off.
We (I mean Europe, especially Britain and France) have conquered the whole world, we have spread our culture, religion, economical system, worldview over decades, the empires are all over now but really we are the developed nations we are because of all the conquering and exploiting we've done - which was not so long ago. We have crushed more civilizations than one can imagine, we have reshaped the whole world so that we could be its very centre.
Exploiting foreign masses was easy and profitable enough I guess, and we went so far as to redefine their identity according to our own standards, making them completely dependent on the mother countries.
We have withdrawn from those countries, but it did not give them back what they had lost and the dependence on our culture and our economical system is still there.
I think it's to easy to say that everything should be done to keep them at a distance now, and yes, maybe it is the end of our "white indigenous" heritage and wealth and prosperity. Maybe it's our turn to disappear like so many have under our rule, and time to leave the world in other hands - hard to admit, huh?
Now to end this I'm quoting Leslie Marmon Silko, an American native writer:
"It's only the western Europeans who have this inflated pompous notion that every word, everything that's said or done is real important, and it's got to live on and on forever. And only Americans think that America, which has barely been around 200 years, which is a joke, what a short period of time, only Americans think that we'll just continue on. It takes a tremendous amount of stupid blind self-love to think that your civilization or your culture will continue on, when all you have to do is look at history and see that civilizations and peoples a lot better than people building the MX have disappeared."
Cheers all.
DJ
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