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Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
For a good view see
http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/archive_details_list.php?article_id=581
Submitted on Thu, 2005-12-15 08:12
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
Your link does not work.
What is very strange is how some people bad mouth Muslims and Islam, and accuse them of spreading terrorism. But they forget their own actions and their own past. For e.g. in the summer of 1945, Zionist underground groups united, and all of them, in particular the Irgun and Lehi groups, used force to try to drive the British out of Palestine. This included bombing of trains, train stations, an officers club and British headquarters in the King David Hotel, as well as kidnapping and murder of British personnel. This terrorism eventually succeeded in getting the British to leave Israel area.
As for me, I am not a hypocrite, so I condemn all terrorism, whether commited by Muslims or Jews does not matter, terrorism is terrorism. Now Irgun, if you are not a hypocrite, then please condemn the terrorism commited by Jews now.
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
The link works fine
It's your mind that doesn't work
Is Israel is so bad, why do Moslems try to sneak in? NO Jew wants to sneak into Moslem lands
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
Muslims are already living in Israel and Jews persecute them. They are not trying to sneak in, they are trying to survive despite the great tyranny and oppression of your people.
Just remmember, you and I have to answer to God on Judgement Day for our sins, and God will do true Justice.
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
> Muslims are already living in Israel and Jews
> persecute them. They are not trying to sneak in, they
> are trying to survive despite the great tyranny and
> oppression of your people.
>
> Just remmember, you and I have to answer to God on
> Judgement Day for our sins, and God will do true
> Justice.
The Moslem Arabs are there because they were'nt slaughtered in 1948. They should have been in the light of subsequent events.
They have the same legal rights and social benefits as any other Israeli. That's why they don't leave ( a big Israeli mistake).
They will go to the Palestinian State if and when it is established.
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
You said: "The Moslem Arabs are there because they were'nt slaughtered in 1948. They should have been in the light of subsequent events."
The only thing you want to do is kill Muslims or see them slaughtered. I think that will make you very happy.
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
Hizbullah Al-Manar TV’s Children's Claymation Special: Jews Turn Into Apes and Pigs, are Annihilated and Cast Into the Sea
In its Stories from the Koran series, Al-Manar TV, which is affiliated with the Lebanese terrorist organization Hizbullah, aired an Egyptian claymation children's special by the well-known filmaker Dr. Zeinab Zamzam. [1]
The following are excerpts are from the program, which aired December 7, 2005.
TO VIEW CLIP VISIT http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=964.
[Music. A backdrop of the splashing waters of the Red Sea. Fade in to a village on the shore.]
Grandfather: "How beautiful is our blessed village, my child. Look at this great sea the Lord gave us, and placed us on its shore."
Boy: "What is this village called, Grandpa?"
Grandfather: "Eilat, my child. Do you know why I brought you to the sea today?"
Boy: "No, Grandpa Shuhayr."
Grandfather: "You must know, my child, that our village is not like any other."
Boy: "Why, Grandpa?"
Grandfather: "The Lord made the whales and fish come of their own free will out of the sea to the shore, every Sabbath."
Boy: “Only on the Sabbath?”
Grandfather: "Yes, my child. The Lord ordered us not to do anything at all on the Sabbath, and to stay at home to worship the Lord."
Boy: "And what if we go out on the Sabbath?"
Grandfather: "The whales will still come out of the sea to the shore."
Boy: "Then why shouldn't we go out, catch them, and grill them?"
Grandfather: "Because the Lord has put us to a difficult test. If we defy Him, we will be punished most severely. I've brought you to the sea, and taught you this because you've grown up, and you must learn and observe the Lord's commandments, just as David, the Lord's Prophet, ordered us."
Boy: "I understand, my good grandfather."
[Music. Scene fades in to Pinhas and Shamloun digging in the sand.]
Pinhas: "Come on, come on, lazybones. Dig deeper, so the whales and fish will be trapped in our pool tomorrow."
Shamloun: "What a great trick, you devil. How ever did you come up with it?"
Pinhas: "The Lord has forbidden working and fishing on the Sabbath, yet the whales come only on the Sabbath. That's how I came up with the idea: I would work hard on Friday, and dig channels and pools, so that the Sabbath fish will be trapped in them, and we will pick them up on Sunday. That's how the trick will work."
Shamloun: "You're such a devil. But the Lord has forbidden the catching of Sabbath whales, Pinhas."
Pinhas: "That's no problem. We are catching the Sabbath whales - but not on the Sabbath. Come on, come on, lazybones."
Shamloun: "Come on, you devil, before anybody sees us and realizes our trick."
[Music. Water and fish fill the ditch Pinhas and Shamloun have dug. Fade in to a village. Habakkuk appears and, led by a strong aroma, walks up to Shamloun’s front door.]
Habakkuk: "What is that smell? Is that grilled fish I smell? Who is that wicked man who is grilling something forbidden?"
Shamloun: "What are you doing outside my house, you sneak?"
Habakkuk: "What about you, accursed Shamloun? The smell of forbidden grilling is coming from your house. Are you grilling something that the Lord forbade, Shamloun?"
Shamloun: "You're imagining things. Get out of my face, and don't come near my home."
Habakkuk: "First let me see your oven, if you are telling the truth."
Shamloun: "I told you to go away."
Habakkuk: "Not before I see your oven. You see, you sinner?! You and this criminal, Pinhas - you have betrayed our covenant with the Lord and behaved cunningly. You have fished what was forbidden by the Lord. By God, curses will befall you. You will see. By God, curses will befall you."
Pinhas: "[laughs with Shamloun] Why don't you share this delicious food with us, and forget about the Lord's covenant?"
Habakkuk: "You will see the curses raining down on you now, you accursed people."
[The sky turns dark.]
Habakkuk: "Curses will rain down on them right now! Fire from the skies will fall and consume them right now! Right now! Right now! The curses are a little late, but they will come down, while these accursed people are having their lavish feast. Now, they will understand and will regret their deeds, but their regret will no longer help them. What's this? Nothing whatsoever has happened to you? Have the curses not rained down on you yet?"
Shamloun: "I'm standing right here, and so is Pinhas, and we are both fine, Habakkuk."
Habakkuk: "Nothing has happened to you?"
Pinhas: "The only thing that has happened to me is that I had the pleasure of eating the forbidden fish, my friend."
Habakkuk: "Woe betide you! Beginning next Sabbath, I will start selling publicly in the market."
[The marketplace. Pinhas and Shamloun smell their large basket of Sabbath fish.]
Pinhas: "We sell [fish] on the Sabbath. Step right up!"
Shamloun: "Step right up and buy fresh, raw fish, my friend."
Habakkuk: "What sinners you are. You are selling fish on the Sabbath?!"
Pinhas: "And what about you? What made you leave home on the Sabbath, you 'non-sinner'?"
Habakkuk: "I want to buy something, and there is also something I want to sell you - coals for grills, ropes, and traps for whales."
Shamloun: "Don't you fear that curses and torments will befall you for working on the Sabbath, Habakkuk?"
Habakkuk: "It seems that working on the Sabbath is permitted to us, and was prohibited to our ancestors, because they killed their prophets. [Laughs]"
[Scene shifts to people building a wall in the village.]
Boy: "Don't you feel tired, Grandpa?"
Grandfather: "No, you don't get tired when you do good deeds."
Boy: "Is building a wall between us and those who have made a mockery of the Lord's covenant and went to work on the forbidden Sabbath considered a good deed?"
Grandfather: "A good deed it is indeed, my child. We have isolated them so that when catastrophe strikes, it will strike them alone, and we will be saved, because of our faith."
Boy: "Grandpa, they are laughing at us, throwing stones at us, and say we are poor because we don't work on the Sabbath like them. Look!"
Man: "Do you fear all these illusions? There are no curses, and there is no reason to be afraid, you cowards."
Woman: "You are building a wall to distance yourselves from your actions, and therefore, you are doomed to eternal poverty, while we are destined to be rich. If you ever try to cross over to our side, we will kill you. Go ahead and build your wall, you fools [laughs]."
Grandfather: "Come on, men, keep building. Tomorrow is the Sabbath and we will not work, as we were commanded by the Lord. We must double our efforts today."
[The boy, his grandfather, and other villagers continue to build the wall as the scene shifts back to the marketplace.]
Pinhas: "Step right up and buy your Sabbath goods. We trade on the day that the Lord once forbade, and get rich. Come, step right up, all you who do not believe in curses."
Shamloun: "Shamloun is inviting you. Check out my merchandise, and don't be afraid of anyone. You won't be punished - not from the earth nor from the skies."
Habakkuk: "Step right up. It is me, Habakkuk. I am, as you can see, safe and sound. The only illness that has struck me is wealth. Come here. How nice it is to work on the Sabbath. How nice it is to work on the Sabbath. I am working on the Sabbath, and I challenge the will of the heavens."
[While jumping up and down, Pinhas, Shamloun, Habakkuk, and others in the marketplace turn into apes. The boy and his grandfather open a door in the wall and step to the other side with some other villagers.]
Grandfather: "Look, my child, the young among them have turned into apes, and their elderly have become pigs."
Boy: "They should know that the Lord speaks the truth and punishes severely."
Grandfather: "Praise the Lord, who has saved us. They remained in this condition for three days, and then were annihilated. The wind has cast them into the sea."
[Music plays as the apes and pigs are cast into the sea.]
Narrator: "In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. When they disregarded the warning that had been given to them, We rescued those who forbade Evil; but We visited the wrong-doers with a grievous punishment because they were given to transgression. When in their insolence they transgressed prohibitions, We said the them: 'Be ye apes, despised and rejected.' Behold - thy Lord did declare that He would send against them, to the Day of Judgment those who would afflict them with grievous penalty. The Lord is quick in retribution, but he is also oft-forgiving, most Merciful."
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
irgun43:
OK...
YOU JUST DONT GET IT. DO YOU?
LETS GET SOME FACTS RIGHT. SHALL WE ?
FIRST OF ALL, TERRORISTS ARE NOT MUSLIMS.
SECOND OF ALL, LETS GET THE NUMBER RIGHT.
MOST OF THE VIOLENCE THAT TAKING PLACE IS IN MIDDLE EAST. THAT ACCOUNTS FOR 20% OF ALL THE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLD.
IF WE WERE TO BELIEVE THAT ALL THOSE 20% (about 200 million)OF MUSLIMS ARE TERRORIST, WE WOULD BE FOOLISH.
SIR, YOU PROVED AGAIN THAT YOU ARE MAKING AN IDIOT OUT OF YOURSELF.
MAY GOD LEAD YOU TO THE RIGHT PATH. BECAUSE IF GOD DOESN'T, GOVERNMENT WILL.
YOU REALLY NEED LOTS OF LOVE. YOU SOUND REALLY, REALLY ANGRY....
WHAT IS ENNOYING ABOUT YOU IS, EVEN IF YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE WRONG, YOU JUST WONT ADMIT.
MAY GOD GIVE YOU POWER TO LEAD YOURSELF TO THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
On Dec. 1, 2001, Larry King was the host of "Larry King Weekend" on the topic of "Can Three Ancient Religions Peacefully Coexist?"
Guests on the program included Imam Warith Muhammad, Rabbi Marvin Hier, Father Michael Manning, Professor Maysam Al-Faruqi, and the senior minister of the Oak hills Church of Christ, Max Lucado.
The following conversation between Larry King and Minister Max Lucado is taken from
http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/01/lklw.00.html
KING: But do you hold a conviction that the Koran is not a peaceful way?
LUCADO: There are roots of violence, I think, in the Islamic faith that I don't understand, that I question, that caused me to choose the teachings of Jesus over Mohammed, yes.
KING: Did Mohammed -- can you quote Mohammed anywhere teaching violence?
LUCADO: Can I quote? I'm sorry, I didn't hear the question.
KING: Did Mohammed ever preach violence?
LUCADO: My understanding is that in the lifetime of Mohammed, the religion was born out of some violent activities -- some raidings, some attacks. And that -- and again, this is just my opinion; everybody has to make their own choice. As I compare his life and what I understand of it -- I may be wrong -- with the lifestyle and the life of Jesus Christ, I chose Christ.
End of the excerpt.
This conversation once again shows the lack of study and understanding of Islam by so many non-Muslim scholars. We Muslims are repeatedly being drawn into theological debates with accusations born out of ignorance or rancor. The evil actions of a few are used to condemn one-fifth of the world population. Imagine the following scenario. Some one records the "six O' Clock local news" from TV stations of major American cities over a period of few months and puts it on a, say DVD disk, ships it to a location in the world where no one has ever heard of the USA. Most news on these programs are murder reports, rape reports, drug busts, ... The USA is about the 4th in the world in reported crimes per 100,000 inhabitants. (http://www.odccp.org/odccp/crime_cicp_research.html) What do you think the people will say about America? True scholars don't go by the six O 'Clock news. They learn, study and spend years in search of knowledge and truth. Only then, they speak with some authority on a subject.
If we go by the train of thought of minister Lucado, we can pose the following questions about Christianity:
Isn't it true that Jesus (peace be on him) lived through a turbulent and violent time? Talk about the murder of John the Baptist (peace be on him), Pharisees, priests and Romans seeking Jesus and his disciples for persecutions. Were not the followers of Jesus severely persecuted? Didn't Christianity go through a violent time in the first couple of centuries? Isn't it true that the early leaders of the Church were either the persecutors or the persecuted? Should we then draw the same conclusions about Christianity as you did for Islam? Why do you forget the Christian crusaders, the Serbian Christians, the Spanish Inquisition, ...?
Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him) and his fellow Muslims spent thirteen years in Makkah and were severly persecuted by the pagans of that city. When the Muslims migrated to Madinah, it was not Muslims who went to Makkah to fight. It were the pagans of Makkah who traveled 400 kilometers to root out Muslims from Madinah. If Muslims have to fight in self defense, is that teaching violence or is it defending their lives and property?
As far as the topic is concerned, "Can Three Ancient Religions Peacefully Coexist?"
My answer is yes. Muslims have done it and their historic records prove so. The USA is an excellent place for it to happen again. We have so much in common to work on to make America a better place to live. There is an onslaught of immorality, for example, in our society for which Jews, Christians and Muslims can join hands and do something about it. Recently, a report was published showing that 33 percent children in America are born out of wedlock. I challenge Muslims and non-Muslims to focus on these and similar issues, instead of making claims of polemic truths by defaming other religions.
Source: http://www.islam101.com/terror/lklw.ht
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
zawa-je,
It would seem more likely that it is you that doesn't know your own religion. There are a large number of texts within the Koran which urge you a Muslim to fight and use violence against what are called 'unbelievers or is the word kuffa ?
Anyway why don't you look at these two links.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/696408/posts
http://www.bahai-faith.com/islam-uncensored.html
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
If your question is 'Why do u hate Saudi' then the answer is I don't.
I point out Saudi intolerance of Christianity. If you don't like it, that's your problem. However one notes that at no time have you or other Moslem contributors either acknowledged the discrimination, condemned it, nor acknowledged the source and origin of this discrimination.
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
owly not have not answered my previous questions .if u have the courage do so .
Re: Why does Islam and Moslems cause violence?
What questions ? All you do is post endless reams of drivel from the Koran or Islamic web sites.
You looked at those latest links I gave you ? No, you never do.
Wow, its like entering the
Wow, its like entering the Twilight Zone. George Bush and the Neo-cons sure don't cause any violence. Neither does Israel. I suppose we could say something like that because they have the power to justify their war crimes.
Christians never caused any violence either. I suppose you could say the Crusades never really happened. Jews don't cause any violence either because there isn't really an illegal or brutal occupation going on. The US never really invaded Iraq, they don't really support the brutal dictators of Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Jordan. Halliburton is really a wonderful organization that cares about the American people and Iraq really had weapons of mass destruction.
Why do Religions cause violence?
Hey, its good to be back and find that nothing has changed: Fundamentalist Christians, Muslims, and Jews are still killing each other at least from the posts of this Forum!
It feels like the good old times of Batman, member of Tsahal, against the Iranian pasdaran Kiumars.
I suppose this is all due to the fact that God, Allah, and Yaweh keep fighting each other and give a very bad example to the believers.
no violence in real relegion
Robert
1- i think if all the followers of 3 relegions practise their relegion correctly as give to them from one Allah ( god, yaweh) , so their will be no conflict, but we are the one who dont follow the real relegion and the correct one. For me all relegions are the same and islam is the continuation of tawrat and bible and the same teaching , but muslims are mostly try to obey the relegion and obey Allah which is for all and not only for muslims
2- our God is the same, even for non believers , one day they will believe in him, as really we are nothing without his guidance. Even if we did wrong for a while, but later we will remember that all our works will be judjed by him, and that is good . so any one hurt us, will find his results later if he didnt find it in the life. Better to be good in the life than to be bad even for those who hurts u.
3- I think fighting now is becasue we all dont understand well our relegions. that what i can say and we interfer relegion with politics which are too far from each other. politics is materialistic and relegion is spiritual and for our benefit after die and see our God inshalh .
THIS IS ISLAM
The building of great works of architecture, reading, writing, mathematics, medicine, and astronomy. Even before the printing press Muslims would have hundreds of scribes writing all at once so they would learn and reproduce the writings.
PLEASE WATCH THIS VIDEO ON............ AT
http://www.islamonline.net/discussione/thread.jspa?threadID=9622
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