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Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?


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Where do you go to meet? When you compare a local meeting place and openDemocracy's global online forum, do different things happen in them? Do you share different ideas - or is the virtual space indistinguishable from the bar at the end of the road? Lift, the London International Festival of Theatre, is creating a new kind of meeting place. The Lift New Parliament is a cultural space that will travel across borders, hosting performances and art and starting conversations - a space for fresh forms of debate and performance, participative and international. During the design process, Lift invites you to vote for a shortlist of four finalists in the Lift New Parliament architecture competition. The Sultan's Elephant was an event Lift recently co-produced - you can be part of their next project. Join the conversation with Lift's participants here, and find out ways you can get involved. openDemocracy will follow the project. We begin with Jeremy Till's article on participation in architecture, and your favourite meeting places...



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
My favourite meeting place is less site specific and more a place that has manifested throughout my working life in lots of different places. Over the years in rehearsals the form that seems to create itself in the different rooms I have worked in is the circle. If you work in collaboration you don't need to say anything about this. The group will naturally create it. If it's a true ensemble anything else will seem perverse. Just gathering together to give notes or starting to work, a group of performers will spontaneously gather around in a circle. This sounds an obvious thing but its power mustn't be underestimated. In the middle of the circle is a void; the unknown.. Or you could say it contains the groups dreams, fantasies or unformed potential. Gathered around, all the participants whatever their given role or official status are in equal relationship to this shared thing in the middle: It is a pregnant, empty space made of nothingness. This is what we make theatre from: The space between us. It's a natural part of the theatre making process and theatre is of course about attempting to create a world where meetings happen. If you're lucky your performers will be courageous enough to meet each other in that space, even luckier and as the show begins to form then the circle opens wider to include an audience and another kind of meeting takes place. Even a traditional proscenium theatre has this circle within it although it's often skillfully disguised. I'm always amazed when I go into theatres how much of the substance of these wonderful buildings is of course empty space. In the last few years I've been exploring different types of forums and group processes but the interesting ones like Open Space Technology share something they learnt from theatre; the gathering of a circle. At the beginning of an open space meeting there is nothing in the middle except the atmosphere of people's concerns and issues. By the first hour people have filled it with their issues and after two days they have filled that empty space with their connected thoughts and dreams. In this space people meet as equals to create new shared ideas they could never have manifested alone without really meeting each other. Of course it can be supported or not by certain physical environments and I think It's important to remember if you were ever going to create a physical space that is going to contain mystery and nurture people's dreams make sure there's somewhere people can gather in a circle because even if you dont they'll do it anyway. [Edited by: oD Forum Moderator - corrected punctuation bug]



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
I first started thinking about meeting places with a lot of fellow-activists who were fed up with the panel of experts and interminable speeches, one after the other - the way that openDemocracy discussion forums can sometimes get when several people like me want to say everything they have to say at once! At the time it seemed very refreshing to organise a fishbowl discussion. You would still have three experts, but these would be having a running conversation between themselves, and there would be - crucially - a fourth empty chair and someone chairing. The discussion would get going, and at some point, the Chair would decide that it needed a change of direction, or some fresh provocation, and invite in a member from 'the floor' to occupy the fourth chair and put his or her question, or make his or her contribution. The Chair would decide when to make the empty chair available again, by tapping the newcomer on the shoulder, and the whole process would continue in that way. Thinking about it now it seems rather 'top-down'! However, it had several virtues. It got away from speeches. It opened up expertise to challenge, including the basic usefulness of asking, 'what on earth do you mean?'. It kept those in the audience who thought they'd like to contribute sitting on the edge of their chairs. It kept the theme going - the subject came first, not any one person's ego... Nowadays, I think we have different questions to ask ourselves about meeting places - more ambitious questions perhaps. One that interests me is the best way to meet in order to explore a complex issue. Given mass entertainment and attention spans, people are no longer prepared to sit through endless amounts of lecturing. This is a very good thing - but doesn't it mean that complex issues are neglected? One meeting format that works amazingly well is the Team Syntegrity non-hierarchical conference designed by the cybernetician, Stafford Beer. Thirty people meet who want to explore a complex issue. It is important that they have very different kinds of expertise about this. It can be very useful if they know nothing at all about it, but would like to. They have to be willing to spend three and a half days together for intense discussions. This kind of meeting is essentially a very high-drama replacement for a year's worth of regular monthly meetings by the usual executive committee, for example. They break the issue down into 12 topics through brainstorming and then break into small overlapping groups to discuss each topic. There will be five people developing a position together, and five monitoring their discussion and commenting on its progress. Others might observe. Intense listening in a small group is as important as anything said. By the third day, the same ideas are cropping up in very different topics, and gathering solidity as they go. By the end, participants feel as if a three-dimensional form of shared knowledge has emerged in their midst. Again, no-one can dominate, but here, you can almost watch a good new idea, however small, dropping into the system and getting taken up by different people from different points of view... It's very exciting. My third example of the best meeting-places I know is designed to tackle a challenge which is only submerged in the two previous meeting-places, but which is at the centre of this one - that is, conflict. For me all good meeting places have to be places where conflict can safely play out. This is important not just because jaw-jaw is the essence of a democracy but because conflicting ideas are the engine of all new thinking and creativity. As identity politics and multicultural lifestyles have become more and more important, we need new ways to meet - robust ways to meet that can survive and thrive on differences. A good place to start may be the conflict resolution process itself. Here, what is important is that people want to participate. Even the worst enemies can agree to this, if they are convinced that the meeting process has its own good intentions and may do something positive for them. Then it is essential that people are listened to in a certain way, as a prelude to them listening to each other. The first listening, which is done by a trained third party, helps each side to explore what has happened to them and why they are angry. If this works well, it helps each side open themselves up to the possibility of some truth or at least, reality, in the 'enemy version'. This kind of meeting can lead to transformed lives, as the participants move from a hardened, often aggressive stand-off, to a new vulnerability and a recognition of humanness in common. I can't think of a more important type of meeting. What interests me in this is that I think mutual vulnerability is the precondition for good meetings of every kind, not just the conflictual ones. A good meeting place - for me - is one where people can change their minds...



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
My favourite place to meet my colleagues is in cyberspace. I am the co-artistic director of a theatre collective called mouth to mouth. mouth to mouth are comprised of a group of young multidisciplinary, performance artists who began working together while studying their MA in Performance at Goldsmiths College in 2004. We have a unique structure and subsequent practice. Shortly after graduating, all the members of the company returned to their homelands, some could not obtain visas to stay in England, others ventured home due to financial necessity and some followed love. We are not and may never be in the same physical place at the same time ever again; hence we have no fixed abode. As individuals we are based in the UK, Bosnia, Switzerland, South Korea, China, Italy and Japan. When we dispersed our hunger to make work together still hankered across land and sea, the only possible way to overcome this lack of mutual ground was to rise above it and to meet in space, cyberspace. Through this medium we meet to create and devise work that is presented as a performative event by both Kate Craddock, co-artistic director & UK based artist and myself. With-in our performance we use Skype to bring other members of the group into the performance space. The facility of meeting in a virtual space has cradled the continuation of our group. Providing a space where we can continue to work closely as an ensemble and continue to develop our common performative language and dialogue. Ideally we would have a cyberspace rehearsal space that would act as a website, with company only access to a rehearsal room, a blog and download area. At the moment we access these virtual spaces through; email correspondence, for devising, co-writing and company administration, we use myspace.com as a type of web-page and virtual scrapbook for ideas, images and biographies, we use utube.com to download and share footage of our performances and Skype as a means of transporting other company members into our work as performers. Using a virtual space to meet creates tiny fractures with-in the collective. We miss touch and sharing a physical space to rehearse however through our passion and delicate, carefully chosen provocations by Kate and I as directors, we maintain a collective ensemble. Kate and I have become what one might describe as new age virtual creative directors. The question we ask ourselves is, are we loosing something by being physically separate or have we gained a heightened sensitivity to each other as collaborators due to the ephemeral nature of virtual meetings? Although virtual spaces are key to mouth to mouth so too is my kitchen table, they are in a continuous loop walking hand in hand. Kate travels down from Newcastle, we print off the most recent correspondence, and we sit over dinner, tea and cigarettes with pages of recent conversations from our virtual space, now transformed into 2D black and white pages of print. This sounds cold and flat but the pages of printed emails remain emotive and inspiring because we were both present during their electronic conception and combining both printed documents and our sense of continuing dialogue with the other members of mouth to mouth we begin to make our next performance. Lynnette Moran Director, Performer & Visual Artist



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
Where do you go to meet? When you compare a local meeting place and openDemocracy's global online forum, do different things happen in them? Do you share different ideas - or is the virtual space indistinguishable from the bar at the end of the road? If a meeting place can be where you arrive to pick up your kids and coincidentally so do other moms, and then you talk; well, then I'd have to say the conversations here are alot different. Although some of the politically oriented shouting matches I have had with my kids Dad may compare with a few of the threads I've read here.



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
Meet for what? To be shot at? To be killed? More than 1 Muslim in a place and the place becomes a target for the Special Forces! Muslims no longer feel safe meeting each other without their homes being raided by 250 special police in the middle of the night and getting shot at (while wrestling with each other and arguing which one should be shot by the police first!). Even those who look like Muslims are in danger and can be shot in the head in the underground just because they look like Muslims! So as you can see meeting in public places is not safe.



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
ART? OR ENTERTAINMENT? Maybe the answer is a little of both By DAVID GORDON June 24, 2006, Milwaukee journal Sentinel Architectural critic Martin Filler charged in The New York Review of Books that "as cultural institutions around the world reinvent themselves as marketers of mass entertainment, the architecture they commission is reflecting that change all too clearly." Is the Milwaukee Art Museum guilty of such a charge? Since the Calatrava-designed addition to the museum has been adopted as the image of Milwaukee, the museum has been confronted with the question of whether there is a conflict between being an icon and an art museum. My response, in short: No. And yes. Read more... Message was edited by: sarahohanlon [Edited by: oD Forum Moderator. Fixed link.]



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
My personal favourite meeting place is the living room of someone's house - provided that alcohol and good company are also present. That way you get to relax and enjoy yourself, which always gets the conversation and debate flowing, even if towards the latter end of the evening any pretence of coherence or logic is abandoned. The pub would be my second choice. Again, provided that alcohol and good company are present you can have a reasonably enjoyable time. However, it's often more expensive, crowded and noisy. The type of conversation you have really depends on a) where you meet, and b) why. A slightly drunken conversation with friends will inevitably be less formal and more rambling than an on-line debate - it's almost impossible to appeal to some shared experience with someone you've never even seen face-to-face.



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
At Lift I am in the privileged position of being in daily contact with extraordinary talented artists/theatre makers who constantly "re-imagine their knowledge from the perspective of the user" (Jeremy Till) and create transformative processes, performances, artworks precisely because their work has begun in relationship to another. In the process of planning the brief for the Lift New Parliament we talked to many architects who were similarly inspired to work in that way - not scared of demotion in their role, but excited by the creative potential within the relationship of artist and user. The professionalising, corporatisation, funding and commercialisation of culture has sometimes enabled the public more access to the work of artists, but equally it has erected barriers between the artists and their audiences, between the architects and their users. The Lift New Parliament is an opportunity to explore different kinds of relationship, both in its making and its completion. We are all participants in our planet's future and we need spaces that reflect our capacities to be that and support the challenging, hopeful, rigorous conversations we need to have. There are plenty of places that I feel able to speak, but not many where I feel heard beyond my own community of friends, family and colleagues. So whilst we absolutely need to think of our existing experiences of where and how we talk, in the creation of this new space, we must also recognise that those existing forums can be inward facing. And it will be the artist that enables, elicits our imaginings - to create 'a space like no other encountered'. So my favourite space will be the Lift New Parliament that, when it opens in June 2008, has been shaped by many hands - the multiple, diverse and difficult users that Jeremy talks of and the artists and architects who are as excited by the critical need to be responsive and engaged in the process as they are about their own imaginings. Angharad Wynne-Jones Director of Lift



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Re: Your favourite meeting place - real or virtual?
The winning design for the Lift New Parliament has been announced. Find out here whether your favourite won, and which team will be developing their project with Lift and participants over the next two years...


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