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# Anti-semitism, Israel and nationalism, part 2/3
- URL: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/anti-semitism-israel-and-nationalism-part-23/
- Published: 2013-03-29T19:03:02.000Z
- Updated: 2026-04-23T01:24:10.000Z
- Description: Antony Lerman in conversation with Tony Curzon Price around Lerman's political memoir, The Making and Unmaking of a Zionist - A personal and political journey. Part 2, 30 mins.
- Author: Tony Curzon Price
- Tags: Europe, #Migrated, Israel & Palestine, United Kingdom, EU, Frontline Insights, openglobalrights-openpage-blog, European Union, #en, #Import 2026-04-09 17:36, #appended-excerpt

Judaism is not a religion of space and does not worship the soil. So, too, the State of Israel is not the climax of Jewish history, but a test of the integrity of the Jewish people and the competence of Judaism.  
[Abraham Joshua Heschel, 1969](http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1613346.Israel?ref=opendemocracy.net) [Download the audio file](https://tonycurzonprice.podbean.com/mf/web/vzfz6/Antonylerman-pt-2.mp3?ref=opendemocracy.net)

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Antony Lerman in conversation with Tony Curzon Price around Lerman's political memoir, [The Making and Unmaking of a Zionist - A personal and political journey](http://www.amazon.co.uk/Making-Unmaking-Zionist-Personal-Political/dp/0745332765?ref=opendemocracy.net). Part 2, 30 mins.