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Guantánamo: what is it really like?
Hear Clive Stafford Smith, who visits Guantánamo regularly, talk about the camp, the prisoners and what it’s like trying to defend men the president has described as the “worst of the worst.”

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Guantánamo: what are conditions like for the prisoners?

Hear Clive Stafford Smith talk about life of the men – and boys – inside the prison camp. “I have visited most of the death rows in America and none of them compare to the treatment of those prisoners there.”

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Guantánamo: the lawyer’s story.

Hear Clive Stafford Smith talk about what it’s like to conduct client attorney interviews in Guantánamo. “It all depends on whether you believe in Santa Claus.”

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Guantánamo: How does a prisoner’s lawyer win his trust?

Hear Clive Stafford Smith talk about the dirty tricks the US military plays on the lawyers and their clients in Guantánamo: “Nothing I’ve heard, is of any consequence to US security whatsoever, unless the fact that my clients have been tortured and abused by US soldiers is of consequence to US national security.”

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Guantánamo: why bother to defend men whom the president of the United States has described as the “worst of the worst”?

Hear Clive Stafford Smith explain why he is working for the Guantánamo prisoners. “It’s always been a rule of my life that if someone is being hated, you have to get between the hated and the hater.”

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Guantánamo: the big diversion? Why have only nine of the more than 750 men who have been in Guantánamo been charged?

Hear Clive Stafford Smith explain. “Those three people were meant to stand up in court and say ‘I’m guilty’ just like in the days of Joe Stalin … It’s meant to divert your attention from the fact that Osama Bin Laden has never been caught.”

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Guantánamo: what will happen to the prisoners who haven’t been charged?

Hear Clive Stafford Smith on US efforts to save face as it tries to close down Guantánamo.

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Guantánamo: has the prison made any contribution to the “war on terror”?

Hear Clive Stafford Smith explain why it has been the worst public relations disaster America has ever known.

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Guantánamo: the torture. What is the role of the United States in the upsurge of torture around the world?

Hear Clive Stafford Smith, whose clients have been tortured, explain.

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Guantánamo: the future. If it is closed down, will that make it all right?

Hear Clive Stafford Smith explains that the real problem is the secret prisons around the world and how the US based “catastrophic decisions” on false evidence obtained through torture.

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