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# Reforming Europe: Thomas Piketty meets Pablo Iglesias
- URL: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/reforming-europe-thomas-piketty-meets-pablo-iglesia/
- Published: 2015-02-20T17:02:31.000Z
- Updated: 2026-08-18T16:10:41.000Z
- Description: An edited translation of the recent interview between bestselling author Thomas Piketty and Pablo Iglesias, leader of the Spanish political party Podemos, originally broadcast on Otra Vuelta de Tuerka (‘Another Turn of the Screw’) was exclusive to Juncture Online and is republished here with their
- Author: Pablo Iglesias
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*Pablo Iglesias. Wikimedia commons. Public domainPablo Iglesias: When I was reading the introduction of your book, my attention was caught by the way you described your experience in the United States. You said you wanted to return to Europe immediately. You were criticising the deification of economists in the US and showcasing your admiration for Pierre Bourdieu and Fernand Braudel.*

Thomas Piketty: I really enjoyed my stay in the US, but I couldn't wait to get back to France, to get closer to historical research, especially economic and social. Overall, I see myself as a researcher in social science rather than as an economist.

I think that the line between economics, history, sociology and political science is thinner than what economists sometimes tend to affirm. It is tempting for economists to have people believe that they created a separate science, too scientific for the rest of the world to understand. But of course this is a big joke, which has done a lot of harm. I believe we need a modest approach to economics, and that we shouldn't let economists keep economic questions to themselves.

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