Brains and minds: science in the clear

A reponse to Jane O'Grady's recent article for us: Scientists are not identity theorists, and the potential danger from neuroscience comes not from confusion with mind, but from real understanding of how brains and minds relate, argues Graeme Mitchison

Jane O'Grady castigates neuroscientists for confusing brains and minds. Undoubtedly she is right to detect slipshod use of language, and she is also right to worry about the unattractive and somewhat sinister rush to commercialise the products of brain scans. However, I would argue that neuroscientists are not quite in the grip of the conceptual delusions she diagnoses. I would also say that the contention of the leading quote, that confusing mind and brain "leads to a dehumanised world and a controlling politics", is debatable. It is not confusing mind and brain that leads this way: it is looking deep into the puzzle of how brain and mind states are truly related.

 

This article is a response to Jane O'Grady's Can a machine change your mind?

Graeme Mitchison is a scientist based in Cambridge, UK who has worked in fields including sight, bio-informatics and quantum information theory.

Let me begin by saying that, in my view, neuroscientists do not believe in the identity of brains and minds. They may believe that mental states are determined by patterns of neuronal activity, so one ought in principle to be able to predict the mental state of a person from a detailed and compendious enough account of their neural activity. However, since much brain activity never surfaces into consciousness, brain states cannot be in one-to-one correspondence with mental states. And even if they were, the claim that brain and mind states are identical is so bizarre that only a philosopher could have thought it up. Brain states are clearly states of matter and mind states are states of perception or feeling.

Neuroscientists might slip between mental and neural language too easily, as in saying "the subject is seeing a triangle" when all they mean is that there is a triangle-shaped pattern of activity in primary visual cortex. But they don't mean "the brain state is the percept of a triangle". I speak from experience, having been a subject in an experiment where I was shown a triangle while my brain was scanned, and the experimenter happily used somewhat imprecise language but was no identity theorist (I wouldn't let my brain be scanned by an identity theorist).

Of course, triangles are easy enough to map onto visual cortex. But complex mental events seem much more elusive. To quote Jane O'Grady: "Given what is called the holism of the mental, a holism both of abstract belief systems, and of concrete, personal life histories, you couldn't alter either just by tampering piecemeal." However, most phenomena seem holistic before we understand and anatomise them. Embryology seemed an extraordinary series of coordinated processes that could not be disentangled. Yet we now know to some extent how it evolves through cascades of gene switches, which gives us far greater understanding and control. Why shouldn't the same eventually be true of the complex neural activities that underlie beliefs? (I realise that that "eventually" is the "just a matter of time" that Jane O'Grady deplores. But what is one to say? Science does advance, and usually much faster than anyone would have guessed.)

Suppose we succeed in understanding brains and in correlating neural activity with mental events. To do this we will probably have to explore the nature of beliefs and feelings, and map biography in all its detail onto the memory structures of individuals. Isn't it this aim that raises fears of dehumanising and political control? If so, it is not the confusion of minds and brains that we need fear: it is getting deeper into how the brain works and how it relates to the mind.

Let me end by pointing out that our speech organs are driven by output from motor areas of the brain. Although this process is extremely complicated, it is surely possible in principle to accurately predict utterances from the firing of certain sets of neurons. Now it is tempting to think that when we talk about thoughts and feelings we are somehow reporting on the mental world: speech is the medium of philosophers, and seems to transcend the technology of science. Yet our speech is just another kind of brain scan, translating certain neural blips into sound. So, why should a philosopher be happy to study speech activity patterns yet contemptuous of the potentially much more informative patterns seen in brain scans? The puzzle of minds and brains only deepens when we realise that we have been decoding brain scans since the beginning of human history.

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Comments

alfredo.bremont
8 June 2009 - 12:15am

when we look at a mind we find she is inside a body. however it is not the body that speaks but the mind as if she was outside of the body.

this practically describes the argument?

if there is one, however the views are correct but lack of information as a whole, better say incomplete. therefore we got an incomplete argument. this determines the sens of the word and how they can be used to express a vision of an objective form of matter.

mind in fact is matter, however not measure by the same instruments.

and here is were the arguments begun the measurement and the tools used to determine what you Image to perceive.

words can somehow easy the task, but not quite complete it. matter is almost for the mind, for the body and for the brain.

and out of this trinity begun one of the mysteries of life call religion.

perception I know demands an explanation, as well as mind. but on this context it is easier to have a sens of economy on words and concentrate on the objective matter of the image on the mind.

mind in fact is reality, brains are just part of that reality. they are the firsts level of perception.

the second level is consciousness.

the third we can say is understanding.

the fourth we can call it harmony.

a dance if you like.

the dancing WU LEE MASTERS.

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