Will British libel law kill net free speech?

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The UK's libel laws mean more and more websites globally will be forced to respond to threats of litigation with the strategy of "take it down, take it down quickly, take it down again."

Libel laws in England and Wales have caused plenty of controversy and the UK is known as the defamation capital of the world. Indeed, defamation is one of the UK's growing export industries. UK jurisdiction awards the highest damages in Europe and, with costs often running into the millions, has the dubious accolade of being the most expensive place to bring a defamation claim.

But what does this do to free speech on the internet? Freedom of expression and the right to opinion and comment is protected by law. Balanced against this is the right of individuals (and companies) not to have their reputations unfairly harmed by false or defamatory statements. This balance is delicate enough in the traditional media, but on the internet, where statements can be available to a global audience at the click of a mouse, the delicate nature of the balance is amplified exponentially. The global nature of the medium means that anything published anywhere could quite easily be claimed to lead to damages under UK law.

Plenty of print and website editors capitulate daily to the threat of libel by not publishing a piece or removing material from a website. Many of these threats are unjustified. So where exactly is the balance between freedom of speech and protection from defamation for internet service providers and publishers?

There is a real danger that we cannot rely on the UK's judge-made law to move sufficiently fast to protect world-wide web free speech. The UK's unique legal position could combine with the recent introduction of “No-Win-No-Fee” litigation arrangements to create serious globally adverse effects on new media's  freedom of speech.

THE BAD

In 1999 the use of CFAs (Conditional Fee Agreements) or no-win no-fee arrangements between lawyers and their clients was extended to defamation cases. This means a lawyer can take on a client and take his claim to court without seeking payment (ie: the law firm, in effect pays for the client to go to court). If the client then wins, the media defendant has to pay whatever damages were awarded, plus the costs of the claimant and (most controversially) the success fee of the lawyer. The success fee can be an uplift of up to 100% on the lawyer’s fees. The lawyer is rewarded for taking the risk of not getting paid at all, the client gets the damages and the defendant gets bankrupt. Well, not quite, but the defendant has to pay the damages and the claimant’s costs under his CFA, which often represent an amount three or four times that of the damages themselves. Julian Pike of law firm Farrer and Co was quoted in The Times last month estimating that the cost of losing a major action at trial in a case involving a CFA was now £2.4 million.

If they win, the media outlet is highly unlikely to recover their own fees from the claimant, as the claimant (generally an individual) will not be in a financial position to pay. It is a lose-lose situation for the media. As lawyers well know, there is nothing more dangerous to a defendant than a claimant with nothing to lose. CFA’s have created an environment in which there are a lot more claimants with nothing to lose.

The cost of defending libel claims has had a noticeable effect on the number of libel cases making their way through the courts. A report in October 2008 by Sweet & Maxwell found that in 2007-2008 61% of reported defamation cases in England and Wales resulted in a statement in open court (ie: the claim settled). The figure for the same period in 2006-2007 was 56%, and 2005-2006 it was just 21% of cases.

This trend has slowed the development of the law in the area of defamation. Fewer cases making it to trial mean that there have been fewer judgements on the principles of defamation law. This is harmful in an area of law that is traditionally judicially developed. In addition, old school judicial attitude to the internet pervades leading to many of the same problems as newspapers and magazines faced when mass publication and distribution first arose. As in an Australian High Court case, where it was considered that “the problem of widely disseminated communications is much older than the internet and the World Wide Web. The law has had to grapple with such cases ever since newspapers and magazines came to be distributed to large numbers of people over wide geographical areas”.

However, the internet poses a much bigger problem. The very nature of the world-wide web is that it is indeed, world wide. It is also instantaneous. Information can be published once in the UK and be accessed instantly from anywhere in the world. Anyone who participates in publishing a statement on the web is a ‘publisher’ for the purposes of defamation. This includes the ISPs, websites, individuals. So it is not just the person who wrote the statement and published it initially (the primary publisher), but everyone else who helped that statement to be shared and read (secondary publishers) that are liable. This brings ISPs and websites to the forefront of libel actions. In addition, the UK operates a “multiple publication” rule, whereby every time the statement is downloaded or accessed it constitutes a fresh publication. On the internet, it is hard to imagine how many publications of a statement could be possible if it catches the interest of people around the world. The judicial mind boggles at the thought.

THE GOOD

That is not to say that the law offers no defence to publishers on the internet. Defamation law itself is actually quite media friendly, offering several good defences which are often successfully used. It would also be unfair to say that the law has no grasp of the medium of internet.

The basic defences available to all the print media are also available to ISPs. In particular, the defence of innocent dissemination (under Section 1 Defamation Act (DA)) is useful for internet publishers.

Traditionally a defence of newsagents and libraries, innocent dissemination is now Section 1 DA and is intended to protect ISPs as well. The defence is essentially that if you did not author the work nor physically publish it yourself and did not know or could not reasonably have known that the material was defamatory then you will not be liable for it. It therefore protects websites that publish blogs for example, as they have no control over what is written. However, they will have a responsibility once they are put on notice of any libellous material as then they will have control over it. So there is a responsibility on the part of ISPs only once they are told, or come to believe, that material they are publishing could be libellous.

This rule has meant that now, when ISPs come to know of potentially libellous material on their websites, their first reaction is to take it down to prevent their liability commencing or being exacerbated. This has been criticised because it essentially means that websites will capitulate to almost any threat of libel without the merits of the complaint being examined, or the author’s view being taken. Even if what was said was true (so any libel claim could be defended with justification), the fear of expensive litigation is enough to warrant the post being removed. Many argue this flies in the face of free speech, as any publisher is effectively held to ransom by someone crying libel, irrespective of how good their case is.

In addition to section 1 of the DA, the E-commerce regulations are also in place to protect ISP’s, although it is doubtful how much this adds to the DA already in place. There is much overlap (in fact, they say almost exactly the same things). In Bunt v Tilly the judge hinted that where protection under s1 of the DA falls away when the publisher becomes aware of the libel, more detailed knowledge might be needed on the part of the ISP in order for it to be deprived of the protection of the e-commerce regulations. We must wait for a court to decide whether the directive brings any additional protection to ISPs.

Judicially as well, there have been some important developments on internet libel. Defamatory posts in chatrooms and bulletin boards, for example, are likely to be viewed by the courts as more akin to slander than libel. This is significant because slander is defamation in the form of spoken word rather than the more permanent libel. In slander the claimant will actually have to prove that they were damaged by the statements, whereas in libel damage is assumed.

In a recent case (Smith v ADVFN Plc and others [2008]) a high court judge threw out the claimant's case because he felt the claim to be without merit and with little chance of success. The claimant had complained of a series of postings by shareholders on ADVFN Plc’s online bulletin board. Smith was a director of the company, which had failed to make a profit and was not paying dividends to its shareholders. The bulletin board conversations revolved around abuse of Mr Smith in his position as a director.

The judge believed the statements not to be libellous for several reasons. Firstly he noted that comments of this kind were much more like a conversation than permanent printed media, and therefore more likely to be slander than libel. He also said that comments made on bulletin boards are not made in a vacuum. Most people reading the online conversations would know what the background was and be able to put it into context. He felt that the defendants would be able to avail themselves of several defences and would argue, rightly, that the comments were mere vulgar abuse, fair comment or both.

Where the authors held an interest in the subject matter, he felt that the defence of qualified privilege (see below) might apply. The judge noted that many of the posts were expressed in exaggerated terms, but he believed the authors were still expressing views honestly held. The case was held to have no merit and was thrown out, albeit with a judicial caveat that he "would not suggest for a moment that blogging cannot ever form the basis of a legitimate libel claim.” Still, it is good news for websites operating bulletin boards and forums for debate that what is written can be recognised as slander and the traditional defences used successfully as protection.

PRIVELEGING THE PUBLIC REALM

The Courts do recognise the need to preserve freedom of expression and privilege can attach to certain situations to allow for this.  Qualified Privilege is a defence which protects a defendant where the statements he makes were wrong but were fairly warranted by the occasion in which they were made. An occasion of qualified privilege exists where the maker of the statement has a duty (whether legal, social or moral) to make it, and the recipient has a corresponding interest in receiving it. The defence is defeated by evidence of any malice in the making of the statement, although for legal purposes 'malice' is where the person making the statement had no real belief in what he was saying, not that he wished ill towards anyone.

Obviously, whether the defence will succeed depends on what is being said and whether the court believes it is in the public interest to know about it. In the recent case of Mosley v News Group Newspapers Limited [2008] the idea of "public interest" was found not to extend to Max Mosley's private activities. Of course, the News of the World would disagree with that, citing their publication figures as proof that the public were very interested. But, as Lord Bingham succinctly put it in Jameel (Mohammed) v Wall Street Journal Sprl [2007] "...what engages the interest of the public may not be material which engages the public interest."

Another edge to this defence is the idea of responsible journalism, that it is also in the public interest to receive information that has been thoroughly researched and properly investigated to the best of the journalist's capabilities. If a journalist fails to properly research material which then turns out to be false, then it is his fault and it is not in the public interest to receive such information. If the journalist had very carefully researched both aspects of the argument, obtained quotes from both sides and still the material was false, it is much more likely to be considered to be in the public interest. It is perhaps here that the defence moves away from being available to websites running online forums because the very nature of that debate is that the views expressed are often very poorly researched, they are just one person's opinion - glibly given and quickly forgotten.

However, it is easy to see that it is still in the public interest to allow forums such as these to exist. The authors of these statements are not pretending to be journalists, and everyone reading the discussion will understand that the views being expressed are not representative, well-thought out or informed, but mere opinion, to which everyone is entitled. It is difficult to see how a court would not accept that websites such as openDemocracy were in the public interest. That may not be enough to defend a libel claim, but it would doubtless be taken into account and would probably affect any damages awarded.

WHAT IS DIFFERENT ELSEWHERE

Comparatively with other jurisdictions, England and Wales did not fare well in a recent Oxford University report called A Comparative Study of Costs in Defamation Proceedings Across Europe. The report was commissioned by the Daily Mail and found that CFAs are making defamation in England and Wales up to 140 times more costly than in the rest of Europe.

England and Wales was found to be three times more expensive than Ireland, which was the next most expensive jurisdiction. Ireland was still ten times more expensive than Italy, which came in third. England and Wales was also found to be the jurisdiction that awarded the most in damages in libel claims. The report noted that article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights (freedom of speech) was potentially being infringed, as the media would obviously tend to self-censor in order to avoid potential court cases. The report said that the media “no longer had any economic incentive to defend [themselves] against defamation actions in court." It also noted that the high cost of defending a claim against a claimant on a CFA could be infringing the media’s right to a fair trial under Article 6. The report constitutes a fairly damning indictment of the system for defamation claims in England and Wales, particularly in comparison to our European neighbours.

Our libel laws seem particularly stringent on internet providers when compared to the US. The US apply a “single publication rule" in libel law, where only the first publication of the defamatory material will count. This essentially means that ISP’s are immune under statute from defamation actions resulting from the comments of third parties. So where a website picks up on a story elsewhere and re-publishes any defamatory material, they will not be liable. We must bear in mind however, that courts in the US are extremely reluctant to fetter free speech because of the First Amendment which enshrines freedom of speech as part of the US constitution. It is also worth noting that ISP’s immunity has meant that any responsibility on the part of ISPs to police the material they publish has been removed. This has been commented upon several times by the US courts and means it is very unlikely to ever be enacted in the UK. Indeed, our multiple publication rule has recently been upheld by the European Court of Human Rights in Times Newspapers Limited (Nos 1 and 2) v United Kingdom. The Times argued that the multiple publication rule was a disproportionate interference with their freedom of expression. The European court disagreed, saying that it served a legitimate aim and was necessary in a democratic society. The court noted that when exercising its freedom of expression, the media must act responsibly, particularly when the information imparted is likely to have a serious impact on the reputation and rights of private individuals.

NEEDED: PRINCIPLED DEEP-POCKETED LITIGANTS

So where does this leave libel on the internet? Should websites feel they have no choice but to remove potentially defamatory material from their web pages as soon as they become aware of it - or is this just the latest infringement on freedom of speech?

There are arguments that if the website feels what has been said can be defended it should be left online. But that involves a gutsy editor with the financial backing to go to court and not win anything other than the right to publish the material. That should be enough, but often it is not when the website has expended many thousands of pounds defending the action, which it then cannot claim back from the claimant because he had no money to start with.

Perhaps a good middle ground would be if the Section 1 defence under the DA (innocent dissemination as discussed above) was amended. It has been argued that the Act could provide immunity when an ISP has investigated a complaint and reasonably concluded that there is a valid defence to defamation proceedings. If the DA was amended in this way, it would give ISPs more scope to deal with each complaint independently, although it would likely still mean that the post or statement complained of would have to be taken down while the ISP was investigating it.

The government has also recently launched a consultation paper to look into capping CFA fees to rebalance the financial burden on defendants. In addition there has been talk of an industry code for internet publishers giving guidance and best practice to ISPs and websites confronted with libel complaints.

But for now the reaction to libel remains: take it down, take it down quickly, take it down again. And libel tourism means that this habit is likely to spread.

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Comments

Bashy Quraishy
27 March 2009 - 7:56pm

Freedom of Expression for the little man or the power élite

In this ongoing heated debate in the West and particularly in UK, relating to unlimited and unrestrained Freedom of Expression - inflammatory or purposeful - two very important points are being over looked. In no country in the world, freedom of expression is total or absolute. There are judicial limitations, moral constrains and even constitutional considerations. In my adopted homeland Denmark which under the present right wing government has proclaimed itself as the Defender- In -Chief of total freedom of expression, the constitution clearly mentions about freedom of expression under responsibility. There are laws in the country against dishonouring an individual and the royal household, making of blasphemous speeches against Christianity, as well as racist, anti-semitic and anti-homosexual statements. In UK, media has taken upon themselves to utalize unlimited freedom to indult, degrade and even demonize Islam.

Muslims have a right to ask; Why Islam is being ignored or nor covered under this protection. Is it by coincidence or on purpose? Take a pick! Freedom of Expression was made the central tenant of human rights in Europe to give the citizens, the right to criticise the government, politicians and the ruling elité and not the other way around. It was never meant to give the journalists a cart blanche to tell lies, insult religions or sow the seeds of disharmony in the society. Media has a central role to inform the public and not misinform, write about factual stories and not invent these, criticise the misuse of power and not be partner with the elité to suppress the truth.

People must make a distinction between genuine criticism of an individual action, a group ideology or even a religious dogma to prevent oppression and insulting, degrading and humiliating on purpose, an entire religion, its followers and their holy scripture under the false guise of freedom of expression. Without this clarity, a society like Denmark, however uncivilised it may claim to be, will always remain undemocratic. A country which does not extend legal, moral and human rights protection to its ethnic and religious minorities would not be able to create an inclusive society.

I take part regularly in Danish and international media but as far as my own freedom of expression is concerned, I have never used it to insult anyone but only to take part in discussions as a law abiding citizen. Gert Wilders and Pia Kjærsgaards of this world, use their political platform not to criticise Islam, as they claim but to insult, propagate hate and create conflict. My criticism is never of Christianity, Jesus, Danes, Denmark or European values but of the establishment. I use my pen and lips to better the situation of the minorities and build bridges while media uses its power to advance a special agenda based on power. No decent humanity loving citizen can or should approve or support thinking of this nature.
I wholeheatedly support the idea that if media wants to write what they like, then they should be ready to face the music.
Kind regards

Bashy Quraishy
Chief editor-MediaWatch-Copenhagen
Chair - ENAR Advisory Council-Brussels
Chair - Jewish Muslim Platform-Brussels
Mobile. 0045 40154771. 
Tel&Fax. 0045 38881977 www.bashy.dk

28 March 2009 - 12:29am

The world is filled with people, some of which are respectful, some are not. Some want their own way at the expense of others. If the law is designed to muzzle and pinion the disrespectful and others use this ability to oppress others, who wins? One would want to be very sure of the veracity of the laws being used. Creeping fascism is fond of putting more and more oppression on people incrementally by creating laws it justifies with scriptures or similar support, until there's a straw that breaks the camel's back and revolution and mayhem occur as a result.

Presumably we are responsible and wise enough to see the emergence of such problems, yet that assumes we have the protection and freedom to express ourselves. If that expression is taken away or we fear to state what problems exist for fear of someone with a big stick or a law to cudgel us with then democracy and freedom is not well served.

The real and most persistent difficulty is that behind most oppression is religion. It isn't often the liberals who oppress, it is the conservatives, the people who do not think as much for themselves, or feel the necessity for more and more 'guidelines' or laws. Most of them are people who promote their religion (which is filled with conservative attitudes and secondary opinions that overwhelm or erode liberal objectives.)

Where is the situation found most? Not in a secular society. It is most common where religion dominates (Christian, Jewish, Islamic, or Hinduism are the worst offenders) or where it permits strident voices to add oppression and justification for oppression. It might amaze many people to find that there are lies on which our laws are created. Lies within the holy books have been the cornerstone of various legal systems. The most obvious lies are in the Qur'an and Pentateuch, (Mohammed and Moses). (Mohammed being exposed by the God-given Muqatta'at and Moses being exposed as a liar by content that exposed Mohammed.)

It wouldn't take long to read the damning proof in "The Long Return", yet there would still be some percentage who wouldn't want to believe the truth and facts of it. Many of the religious would first want to damn and harass the person who revealed the lies, rather than examining the proof. Yet if the majority of people who are capable of reasoning saw the proof they would soon realize an immense amount of laws are built on falsities expressed by these two prophets.

Freedom of speech requires truth, integrity and respect, however the truth on which the majority of society exists is based on lies, prevarication and deceit. You can't expect freedom to prevail unless there is truth, seeing even in court we 'swear on a holy book' to tell the truth, and that book contains lies.

Take the problem one step further. Justification for Islamic suicide bombers is based on lies, and the opinions of those who profess to know the truth. In fact Islamic clergy justify the terrorist acts from lies Mohammed told. Justification for wars, executions, torture and oppression are based on lies Moses told.

How can we be sure? Easily. Dreams and visions were the means by which prophets foresaw, and some good laws were created. The use of dreams and visions supports life and living, creativity and success, not death and oppression. Unfortunately there were a lot of lies which were added, and those lies take away from our freedom of speech. Who supports the lies the most? The mostly conservative establishment, and bureaucrats, people who build more and more laws on the lies that preceded them.

Roy W Brown
28 March 2009 - 6:59am

I agree that Danish blasphemy law is flawed, but not in the way Bashy Quraishy suggests. Rather that extending the blasphemy law to include Islam (then Polytheism, then Aztec-style human sacrifice?) from criticism, the law should be scrapped and replaced by laws against incitement to hatred and violence.
It is the believer that needs protection, not the belief.
This point was clearly lost in the UN Human Rights Council who once again this week adopted a resolution "combating defamation of religions" even tthough defamation is a legal concept that applies only to individuals, not ideas, and even though the victims the resolution purported to protect are already protected under international law.
The Islamic States who introduced this resolution in the Council have been trying for 10 years to extend the repressive curbs on freedom of expression that exist in their own jurisdictions into international law. The vote in the Human Rights Council shows that far too many states are happy to go along with such restrictions.

Roy W Brown
Main Representative, UN Geneva
International Humanist and Ethical Union

Bashy Quraishy
28 March 2009 - 2:26pm

A faith, belief or a dogma is a spiritual, philosophical and to many a divine guideline and experience.
The followers of any belief have a right to be left alone to practice their religion in peace and not be the constant target of hate mongering by humanists, secularists or anyone else. Secularism has now in itself become an intolerant ideology. People who subscribe to humanism - me including - should be mindful that we do not become a bad copy of those we criticise.
Roy Brown of all people should know that Islamic countries have never asked UN to protect Islam and other religions against genuine criticism,heated discussions and even rejection. All they are asking is a protection against constant insults, political hate mongering and media anti-Islam propaganda.
As law abiding citizens, it is the right of Muslim communities to be protected or may be it is too much to ask from the so-called democratic societies of the west.

Let me give two examples. During Salman Rushdie affair in 1989 and then in Caricature crisis of 2005 in Denmark, Muslim organisations wanted to go to court but were denied by the legal authorities of UK and Denmark.In most Western countries, Islam is not legally protected but Christianity and Judaism is. Why this differential treatment?
As a humanist, I believe that all people should have a right to justice and justice should not discriminate. I am speaking from personal experience of 40 years of living in the West.

I am afraid that this high pitch Islamophobic hysteria and too many anti-Islam events in the West protected by Freedom of Speech are creating a situation which requires legal remedy otherwise not only Muslim communities in the West but also populations in the so-called Islamic countries would loose all the respect for what West preaches. That would be a pity because according to a Gallup Poll from 2001-2007 by John Esposito, more than a large majority of Muslims in the world do want to live in democratic societies and have a high regard for human rights.

Bashy Quraishy
Chief editor-MediaWatch-Copenhagen
Chair - ENAR Advisory Council-Brussels
Chair - Jewish Muslim Platform-Brussels
Mobile. 0045 40154771.
Tel&Fax. 0045 38881977 www.bashy.dk

pbhj
29 March 2009 - 11:29pm

Bashy >>> "All [Islamic countries] are asking is a protection against constant insults, political hate mongering and media anti-Islam propaganda.
As law abiding citizens, it is the right of Muslim communities to be protected or may be it is too much to ask from the so-called democratic societies of the west."

Well. Where to start, if Muslims believe these "rights" you claim perhaps they should look inwards to the nation of Islam and address those rights for Jews, Christians, atheists, apostates and the like living in "Islamic countries". Once you've started that process we can look at the vastly more libertarian secular democracies in "the west".

In the UK your right to peaceful protest is protected as is everyone else's. Yet such rights are being eroded by so-called Muslims who demand death for, for example, the protest made by a cartoonist or author who simply claims their point of view in their chosen medium.

The media in the UK is very friendly to Islam - seldom mentioning that those dying in Iraq are primarily Sunni and Shia killing one another. Take this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7935802.stm as an example - not one mention in the article that it's Sunni and Shia muslims blowing one-another to bits for religious reasons.

I'd say you have no clue if I didn't expect that this is simply the modus-operandi by which Islam seeks to bring Sharia and an expansion of the Muslim state with all its murderous denigration of once free peoples.

jninja turtle
28 March 2009 - 8:10pm

typical muslim crap. muslims always blaming the west, looking after only their ugly reglion. muslims want to ban any speech or action other than muslim stupidity.
the world needs to ban muslims and their demented ideology of oppression and dictatorship. Hitler is an angel in comparison to muslim or islamic ideology.
muslims get offended by people who are not muslims by calling them infidels. the world can do without muslims. cause muslims will start world war 3 if the world do not put a stop to their insane demands and stupidity. islam is the most dangerous among all religions. it's built on war and hate and they use DECEPTION by using the word PEACEFUL to deceive the idiots from our western societies. if they don't like the west, why won't they return to their ugly middle eastern backward countries and land. Instead, they try to impose their ugly and satanic ideology and religion on non muslims in whatever land they immigrate to. only an idiot becomes a muslim

Splinter
30 March 2009 - 9:19am

jninja turtle, you're so right! i mean, look how many times an islamic country has invaded a western country. they're obviously much more violent then westerners, because westerners never invade other countries

pbhj
30 March 2009 - 12:08am

Consider these two claims which appear quite close together in teh text:

"Anyone who participates in publishing a statement on the web is a ‘publisher’ for the purposes of defamation. This includes the ISPs, websites, individuals. So it is not just the person who wrote the statement and published it initially (the primary publisher), but everyone else who helped that statement to be shared and read (secondary publishers) that are liable. This brings ISPs and websites to the forefront of libel actions."

And:

"In Bunt v Tilly the judge hinted that where protection under s1 of the DA falls away when the publisher becomes aware of the libel, more detailed knowledge might be needed on the part of the ISP in order for it to be deprived of the protection of the e-commerce regulations. We must wait for a court to decide whether the directive brings any additional protection to ISPs. "

So on the one hand you say ISPs are liable and the other that there's no test case and that ISPs may not be liable. Which is true?

Jolly
30 March 2009 - 2:11am

Why must people let their buttons be pushed by a book or a cartoon. If something is baseless or a lie it means nothing other than the author is trying to stir up trouble. By showing an extreme reaction to it you are falling into their trap.

Grow up! Be the bigger person and react with a cool head, the truth will evetunly speak for itself through the actions of the people being implicated. A person can say or show anything in this world the only thing that gives it any weight is how people react to it.

bashy quraishy
31 March 2009 - 1:04am

Dear Editor
Open Democracy
It is very interesting to note the kind of responses, I got to my comments about freedom of speech and protection of minorities. It seems that some people even do not read what I have said before they start lecturing me.
So I hope you do not mind if I clarify my position on the subject once again directly to those who have either not understood what I am saying and those who do not want to understand. so that the level of discussion is lifted a bit higher than it is now.
Alan, no one - least of all, me- is suggesting to take away freedom of expression from anyone. By I fervently believe that in a civilized society as most western people claim that they have, we should be able to discuss every thing in an orderly manner without shouting and screaming, coming up with useless insulting remarks and blaming religions for all the evil in the world, as you do. I am not a practicing Muslim. I discuss Judaism, Christianity and all other faiths - old and new - with my friends and discuss in my lectures, to learn, be wise and extend my own spirituality. If the real and most persistent difficulty is that behind most oppression is religion, as you claim, then please enlighten me how come 20th century's greatest dictators, killers and fascists were non-religious. Napolian, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Franco, Pinochet, Pol Pot, Milasovich, and South Africa’s apartheid regime are few examples. Actually in the last few hundred years, more people are killed by so-called democracies and liberal regimes who invade other countries on the name of democracy and enlightenment. USA, UK, France, Belgium, Italy and a host of Western countries have blood of millions on their hands. People of Asia, Middle East and Africa are a living testemony even today.
pbhj, first of all there is no such thing called; A nation of Islam. in no Muslim country, you will hear, read or see insulting descriptions of Jesus, Moses or any other religious figure, insults of Bible or Torah or anti-Christianity, anti-Jewish or anti-any religion hysteria. Actually, Islam makes it an article of faith for Muslims to believe in Christianity and Islam as divine religions. No Muslim would imagine to use such filthy language about Christ or Moses or any other prophet as is being used for Prophet Mohammed in the West. Of course there is oppression to be found in some Muslim countries which is directed against non-Muslim minorities. I am also aware of Sunni/Shia killing in Iraq, but if you analyse the political situation, it was not mainly religion but grab for the political power. I am as much against such practices as you are. But does that mean that the civilsed West should also do the same as some dictators do in the Muslim countries.
jninja. your vulgar language proves my point, so no need to dignify your comments.
jolly, I agree with you that we should not react to provocation, but if it was once in a while, it can be ignored. My point is that criticism should be to understand and not provoke, insult or degrade. If all human beings were as rational as you are, we would have a peaceful world but unfortunately, that is not the case. It is the duty of the powerful, the educated ones and the rationalists to show to restrain and graciousness and not the other way around.

I shall recommend for all those persons who want to insult Islam to read Karen Armstrong's book; Muhammed prophet of our time. She use to be a Catholic nun and is not Muslim herself.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with criticizing Islam or Muslims but please do it with manners, knowledge and not with stupid arguments.
Kind regards

Bashy Quraishy
Chair - ENAR Advisory Council-Brussels
Chair - Jewish Muslim Platform-Brussels
Mobile. 0045 40154771.
Tel&Fax. 0045 38881977
www.bashy.dk

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