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Philanthrocapitalism: after the goldrush

Michael Edwards, 20 - 03 - 2008

The application of business principles to the world of civil society and social change has fashion, wealth, power and celebrity behind it. But where is the evidence that "philanthrocapitalism" works, and are there better ways to achieve urgently needed global social progress? It's time to end the hype and start the debate, says Michael Edwards

(This article was first published on 19 March 2008)


It's indisputable that something genuinely important is stirring in the world of philanthropy - a movement to harness the power of business and the market to the goals of social change, what Matthew Bishop calls "philanthrocapitalism".

There is justifiable excitement about the possibilities for progress in global health, agriculture and access to micro-credit among the poor that have been stimulated by huge investments from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative and others. Philanthrocapitalism should certainly help to extend access to useful goods and services, and it has a positive role to play in strengthening important areas of civil-society capacity. These are surely good things, so why have I written a book - Just Another Emperor? The Myths and Realities of Philanthrocapitalism (Demos/Young Foundation, March 2008) - that challenges the increasing influence of business thinking in philanthropy?

Michael Edwards's essay is based on a talk he delivered at the launch of his new book - Just Another Emperor? The Myths and Realities of Philanthrocapitalism (Demos/Young Foundation, March 2008) - at the Young Foundation on 10 March 2008. The book is co-published by:

The Young Foundation - a centre for social innovation based in East London - combining practical projects, the creation of new enterprises, research and publishing

Demos
- a non-partisan public policy research and advocacy organisation in the United States committed to building a society that achieves its highest democratic ideals

This essay provoked a lively and lengthy debate - including here on openDemocracy - to which Michael Edwards responded in "Philanthrocapitalism: old myths, new realities" (14 November 2008)                                  Michael Edwards's website is here

My worry is that the hype surrounding philanthrocapitalism will divert attention from the deeper changes that are required to transform society, reduce decisions to an inappropriate bottom line, and lead us to ignore the costs and trade-offs involved in extending business principles into the world of civil society and social change. I'm concerned that these questions, and the evidence that underpins them, are not being given a fair hearing. And I want to provoke a conversation in which different positions can be aired and listened to. The only way that philanthrocapitalism will be able to fulfill its considerable potential is by moving beyond the hype.

What is it?

So, what exactly is philanthrocapitalism? It's an elastic term, both connected to but distinct from social enterprise or social entrepreneurship, venture philanthropy, and corporate social responsibility. I think there are three distinguishing features:

* Resources: very large sums of money being committed to philanthropy, mainly the result of the remarkable profits earned by a small number of individuals in the IT and finance sectors during the 1990s and 2000s.

* Methods: a claim that methods drawn from business can solve social problems, and are superior to the other approaches used in the public sector and in civil society.

* Achievements: a claim that these methods can achieve the transformation of society, rather than increased access to socially-beneficial goods and services - a noble goal for sure, but insufficient to lever deeper changes in the distribution of power and resources across the world.

What does the evidence tell us about these claims? We already know that for-profit involvement in human services is often ineffective, at least in social terms. This is what philanthrocapitalism is supposed to fix. Take the huge investments in global health, micro-credit and environmental services that Bill Gates and others are making. The available evidence from these investments so far suggests that it is perfectly possible to use the market to extend access to useful goods and services, but far harder to have any substantial impact on social transformation. The reason is pretty obvious: systemic change involves social movements, politics and the state, which these experiments generally ignore.

At a smaller scale, increasing numbers of initiatives are successfully deploying market methods to distribute goods and services that benefit society, like the One Laptop Per Child programme, which manufactures cheap computers running on open-source software with Google's help.

These are important experiments, but the evidence suggests that they are very difficult to operate successfully at scale, and that they usually experience some trade-offs between their social and financial goals. For example, a survey of twenty-five joint ventures in the United States showed that twenty-two "had significant conflicts between mission and the demands of corporate stakeholders"; moreover, the two examples that were most successful in financial terms also deviated most from their social mission - reducing time and resources spent on advocacy, weeding out clients who were more difficult to serve, and focusing on activities with the greatest revenue-generating potential.

Or take Project Shakti, a public-private partnership promoted by Hindustan Lever (HLL) in India, which integrates low-income women into the marketing chain of its producers, selling things like shampoo and detergent "to boost their incomes and their confidence." A recent evaluation showed that there is "no evidence that the project empowers women or promotes community action", as opposed to making then "saleswomen for HLL", often at considerable cost to themselves (since there are cheaper brands available, returns on investment are therefore low, and the work is very hard).

There's a lot more evidence like this in my book that shows how difficult it is to blend the social and financial bottom lines. Few of these experiments are truly self-sustaining, "mission-drift" is common, and failure rates are high. The other problem is scale: fairtrade is estimated to reach 5 million producers and their families across the developing world, while social enterprises had earned revenue of only $500 million in the United States in 2005.

Michael Edwards is the author of Civil Society (Polity Press, 2003) and Future Positive: International Co-operation in the 21st Century (James & James, 2004).

For more information visit www.futurepositive.org His latest work is Just Another Emperor? The Myths and Realities of Philanthrocapitalism (Demos/Young Foundation, 2008)

Also by Michael Edwards in openDemocracy:

"For Alan Beavan" (24 September 2001)

"Love, reason and the future of civil society" (22 December 2005)

"Democracy in America: paths to renewal" (21 November 2006)

"A world made new through love and reason: what future for 'development'?" (25 April 2007)

The second area where philanthrocapitalism claims to make an impact lies in improving the financial and management capacities of civil-society organisations. I have always been confused by the way in which venture philanthropists and social entrepreneurs differentiate themselves from the rest of civil society on the grounds that they are results-based"' or "high-performance", implying that everyone else is uninterested in outcomes. Sure there are mediocre citizens' groups, just as there are mediocre businesses, venture philanthropists, social entrepreneurs and government departments, so (as Jim Collins of Good to Great fame asks) "why import the practices of mediocrity into the social sectors"? What separates good and bad performers is not whether they come from business or civil society, but whether they have a clear focus to their work, strong learning and accountability mechanisms that keep them heading in the right direction, and the ability to motivate their staff or volunteers to reach the highest collective levels of performance.

The most important results measure impact at the deepest levels of social transformation, and there is a wealth of evidence showing that they are generated by social movements that rarely use the language or methods of business management. Yet, to repeat, there is already evidence that those who do use these techniques encounter trade-offs with their social mission.

It is easy to identify quick fixes in terms of business criteria, only to find out that what seemed inefficient turns out to be essential for civil society's social and political impact - like maintaining local chapters of a movement when it would be cheaper to the central office to combine them. And although solutions have to work economically this doesn't necessarily imply the raising of commercial revenue. Philanthrocapitalists sometimes paint reliance on donations, grants and membership contributions as a weakness for civil-society organisations, but it can be a source of strength because it connects them to their constituencies and the public - so long as their revenue streams are sufficiently diverse to weather the inevitable storms along the way.

The impact on civil society

Is there any evidence that civil society as a whole is being damaged by these trends? There are certainly some worrying signs, including:

* The dilution of "other-directed" behavior by competition and financial incentives (for example, paying volunteers)

* The diversion of energy and resources away from structural change, institution building and deep reform, in favor of social and environmental service-provision

* The loss of independence that comes with dependence on business or government, and the consequent weakening of civil-society's ability to hold them accountable for their actions.

* Increasing inequality within civil society between well-resourced service providers (or other groups considered to be high performers by large investors) and under-resourced community and advocacy groups

* Changing the relationship between citizens' organisations and their members to one of passive consumption (giving money at a distance), instead of active participation

* The erosion as a result of civil-society's role in social transformation through co-optation, or even emasculation, instead of equal partnership

The accumulated outcome is that civil society may be getting larger - but not stronger or more effective in leveraging fundamental changes in society.

The market and the movement

Why does involving business and markets produce such mixed results?

The answer is that the logics of business and social transformation are not just different - they pull in opposite directions in many important ways, and there is long experience of the risks involved in mixing them together. Take attitudes to redistribution and social justice, which rarely appear on the radar screen of the philanthrocapitalists but are central to any transformative agenda. "Wealth is like an orchard", says the Mexican philanthrocapitalist Carlos Slim, "you have to distribute the fruit, not the branch", presumably because the branch, tree and forest all belong to him.

Or take competition versus cooperation, or individualism versus collective action and mutuality. Jeff Skoll, who co-created e-Bay, is proud to say that social enterprise "is a movement from institutions to individuals", because they "can move faster and take more chances." Indeed they can, but can they also generate system-wide changes in social and political structures that rely on collective action and broad-based constituencies for change? History shows that systemic change was achieved in relation to the environment, civil rights, gender, and disability through the work of social movements rather than heroic individuals, and involved politics and government as well as civil society and business.

And that's a crucial point. In markets we are customers, clients or consumers, whereas in movements we are citizens, and each has very different implications. "NPC LLC researches, evaluates, and selects organizations for each of our funds so that our customers don't have to." This isn't an advert for Wall Street, but a group in the United States that advises on charitable donations. In future you won't need any contact with the organisations you support, never mind participation in their activities, you can just invest in a political mutual fund and write it off to tax.

In the ever-growing outpouring of books, newspaper stories and conference reports on philanthrocapitalism you will find plenty of attention to finance and the market, but scarcely a mention of power, politics and social relations - the things that really drive social transformation. Although the landscape is shifting a little as a result of accumulated experience (especially at the Gates Foundation) the great majority of venture philanthropy supports technical solutions and rapid scaling up ("technology plus science plus the market brings results").

In business, the pressure to quickly go to scale is natural, even imperative, since that is how unit-costs decline and profit-margins grow, but social transformation moves at a slower pace because it is so complex and conflicted. Having inherited their wealth or made it very quickly, the philanthrocapitalists are not in the mood to wait around for their results, and the metrics they use to evaluate success focus on short-term material gains not long-term structural shifts in values, relationships and power.

Business metrics privilege size, growth and market share, as opposed to the quality of interactions between people and the capacities and institutions they help to create. When investors evaluate a business, they ultimately need to answer only one question - how much money will it make? The equivalent for civil society is the social impact that organisations might achieve, alone and together, but that is much more difficult to evaluate.

The blend and the commons

These are deep-rooted differences, but are these rationalities unbridgeable, frozen forever in some mutually-antagonistic embrace? Philanthrocapitalism says absolutely not, but I'm not so sure.

All organisations produce different kinds of value in varying proportions - financial, social and environmental - whether they are citizens' groups or business. These proportions can be changed - or "blended" - through conscious or unplanned action, but not without real implications for those forms of value that are reduced, challenged or contradicted in return. Does one set of values become diluted or polluted when you mix it with the others? Is the resulting cocktail tasteless - like mixing wine and vinegar - or delicious, a margarita made in heaven? And are there some things - like oil and water - that do not mix at all?

Discussions of blended value seem to take place in a world free of trade-offs, costs and contradictions. Positive synergies are possible between service provision and advocacy for example, and service providers can certainly get more social value against an acceptable financial bottom line, but there is plenty of experience among organisations that started off with a social purpose and steadily lost it as they became more embedded in the market. Over time one type of value tends to squeeze out the others.

The philanthrocapitalists want to extend competitive principles into the world of civil society, on the assumption that what works for the market should work for citizen action too, but they haven't thought through the implications of their actions. Some call this the creation of a "social capital market", in which non-profit groups would compete with each other for resources, allocated by investors according to certain common metrics of efficiency and impact. Believers in this school of thought therefore set much sway on the collection of standardised data and its storage on the worldwide web, so that those who want to give to charity have more information to guide their decisions. But these data rarely measure progress towards social transformation.

Competition might actually retard progress by pushing non-profits to economise in key areas of their work, eschew the most complicated and expensive issues, and avoid those most difficult to reach. Outside service provision, it is difficult to see how competition would make any sense at all, and not just because the relevant market conditions are unlikely to exist.

Some relevant sources and links for exploring further the issues raised in Michael Edwards's essay:

Just Another Emperor? The Myths and Realities of Philanthrocapitalism


Non Profit Quarterly

Alliance
magazine


Council of Foundations

Philanthromedia

Philantopic


Matthew Bishop & Michael Green, Philanthrocapitalism: How the Rich Are Trying to Save the World (Bloomsbury, 2008)

Would local voluntary groups compete to host the children's Christmas party? Would there be increasing competition between groups dealing with different issues like HIV and schools? And who would really benefit? It is true that advocacy groups compete for members and for money, but often they cooperate, and in any case organisations are not easily "substitutable" in civil society because affiliations are based on loyalty, identity and familiarity, not on the price and quality of services provided. It's unlikely that members of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People in the United States will cross over to the Puerto Rican Legal Defense Fund if they feel dissatisfied with their leaders.

It's because of these problems that I think collaboration among separate organisations may be better than blending or competition. It preserves the difference and independence required to lever real change in markets (not just extend their social reach), and to support the transition to more radical approaches that might deliver the deeper changes that we need, like new business models built around "the commons" such as open-source software and other forms of "non-proprietary production"; and community economics and worker-owned firms, which increase citizen control over the production and distribution of the economic surplus that businesses create.

The follower and the leader

The problem is that these approaches are absent from the philanthrocapitalist menu, perhaps because they would transform the economic system completely and lead to a radically different distribution of its benefits and costs. Systemic change has to address the question of how property is owned and controlled, and how resources and opportunities are distributed throughout society. That is presumably why Jim Collins, in a pamphlet that seems conspicuous by its absence given his stature in the corporate world, concludes that "we must reject the idea - well-intentioned, but dead wrong - that the primary path to greatness in the social sectors is to become more like a business."

"What could possibly be more beneficial for the entire world than a continued expansion of philanthropy" asks Joel L Fleishman in his book, The Foundation, that lionises the venture-capital foundations. Well, over the last century far more has been achieved by governments committed to equality and justice, and social movements strong enough to force change through, and the same might well be true in the future. No great social cause was mobilised through the market in the 20th century. The civil-rights movement, the women's movement, the environmental movement, the New Deal and the Great Society - all were pushed ahead by civil society and anchored in the power of government as a force for the public good. Business and markets play a vital role in taking these advances forward, but they are followers not leaders.

The best philanthropy does deliver tangible outputs like jobs, healthcare and houses, but more importantly it changes the social and political dynamics of places in ways that enable whole communities to share in the fruits of innovation and success. Key to these successes has been the determination to change power relations and the ownership of assets, and put poor and other marginalised people firmly in the driving seat, and that's no accident. This is why a particular form of civil society is vital for social transformation, and why the world needs more civil-society influence on business not the other way around - more cooperation not competition, more collective action not individualism, and a greater willingness to work together to change the fundamental structures that keep most people poor so that all of us can live more fulfilling lives.

Would philanthrocapitalism have helped to finance the civil-rights movement in the US? I hope so, but it wasn't "data-driven", it didn't operate through competition, it couldn't generate much revenue, and it didn't measure its impact in terms of the numbers of people who were served each day, yet it changed the world forever.

The symptom and the cure

To conclude, I'm arguing that:

* The hype surrounding philanthrocapitalism runs far ahead of its ability to deliver real results. It's time for more humility

* The increasing concentration of wealth and power among philanthrocapitalists is unhealthy for democracy. It's time for more accountability

* The use of business and market thinking can damage civil society, which is the crucible of democratic politics and social transformation. It's time to differentiate the two and reassert the independence of global citizen action

* Philanthrocapitalism is in part a symptom of a profoundly unequal world. It hasn't yet demonstrated that it provides the cure

So here's the 55-trillion-dollar question (the amount of philanthropy that is projected to be created in the United States alone over the next forty years): will we use these vast resources to pursue social transformation, or just fritter them away in spending on the symptoms?

The stakes are extremely high, so let's have a global public debate to sort out the claims of both philanthrocapitalists and their critics.

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This essay and Just Another Emperor provoked a lively and lengthy debate on openDemocracy and elsewhere, to which Michael Edwards replied in a further article: "Philanthrocapitalism: old myths, new realities" (14 November 2008)

 


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edwarmi@hotmail.com said:



Sat, 2009-01-03 14:36

I recently published a summry of responses to "Just another Emperor" here: http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/philanthrocapitalism-the-myths-and-realities-of-the-myths-and-realities

Daniel Kelley (not verified) said:



Sat, 2009-01-03 08:27

The "Swill and Melinda Gates Foundation" lends some mouth piece to micro credit if you do a search on their site... Try to find a link on there to sign up to provide a micro credit loan or to apply for a micro credit loan. You won't. I guarantee 99% of Swill and Melinda Gates funds are "donated" within an operating agreement that restricts their use to what Swill Gates seeks and are NOT dispersed as microcredit loans, 99%. In fact, I'm guessing a hefty portion of Swill's Fill My Butt Ant Trophy actually goes to the management of the supposed charity, 20% or more, just like all the other wholly bogus charities that operate as seeming nonprofits, profitting the management by cash, profitting the Philanthropist by a$$ and profitting no one really otherwise.

Realer solution, than buying Windows, for microcredit participation:
http://www.kiva.org - a website that directly facilitates microcredit lending in amounts as little as $25.

Lets take some examples of Swill Gates bogus philanthropy:
Global Health by Bill Gates. Reading the gatesfoundation website I discovered Swill breaks up his organization into 3 categories. One of them is global health which Bill Gates takes a very American approach to. Should surprise us not with US health failing as it has been in the last few decades. Higher rates of Alzheimers, heart disease, cancer, doctor caused death... Bills Global Health solution? Vaccines and Medicines. Not mentioned on the Gates foundation website? Vaccines are today laced with mercury which is a neurotoxin. Mercury accumulates in the brain and causes twitching, forgetfulness, demented thoughts, alzheimers, autism and ultimately death.

Medicines are good though right? If you want to bolster pharmaceutical industry profits they are. Or if you want to suffer a potentially debilitating and fatal range of side effects.

What's the real solutions? Food grade hydrogen peroxide can cure literally ANY virus, bacteria, parasite AND fungus. The same is true of ozone which can be produced at medical grade requiring only electricity and air. Generating electricity is a function of magnets sweeping past wire coils. Magnets are these days common place, though are greatly wasted, rather than saving lives many magnets are used for convenience transportation.

You think multibillionaire Swill Gates doesn't know this?

6 million children die of Malaria every year.

http://www.whale.to/a/humble.html#The_Miracle_Mineral_Supplement_

That link is to a site of a guy who knows how to cure malaria and has personally spoken to Bill Gates about it. Swill Gates, while operating in Africa says, no FDA approval, no cure. What does FDA approval have to do with treating foreign children for Malaria?

Reference the Lancet Medical Journal:

Killing of Blood-Stage Murine Malaria Parasites by Hydrogen Peroxide. (Infection and Immunity. Jan. 1983, p. 456-459) "A Radical Interpretation of Immunity to Malaria Parasites" (The Lancet Dec. 25, 1982, p. 1431-1433) "Free oxygen Radical Generators as Antimalorial Drugs" (The Lancet Feb. 12, 1983, p. 359-360).

What else is necessary for real global health, rather than Swill Gates fatal hellth plan? The rest of disease is due pollution and malnutrition.

Swill gates is sending white rice all over the planet which is notably devoid of any nutritive value and when PC's are tossed in the trash they wind up shipped over seas to where people are employed to melt them down thereby releasing the toxin load that was stored in the chips. Thanks Bill !

Quote from Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation:
"We’re working to link small farmers to new and existing markets and to the information they need to make sound business decisions. For example, we’re providing small farmers in East Africa with the equipment and training they need to grow and sell higher-quality coffee."

Swill Gates is working to create a database of small farmers that they be facilitously stamped out as corporate multinational agribusiness rises to crescendo. He's going to put farmers who should be growing beans and banana's for local sale, in touch with people who will tempt them to grow crops that can be sold for what to them will be considered windfall profits, sold to wealthy nations, while the locals are neglected, eventually revolt in a violent uprising of the starved that results in violent government suppression... Coffee is a classic example of a typically overseas sold addictive agricultural product that very often where it is grown, masses starve to death and children's nutrition suffers.

Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Quote:
"We’re working to increase investments in agriculture from leaders in developing countries as well as from funders and partners in the developed world."

These vesting "leaders", do you suppose they're going to want to own the farms? Or at least have a strong influence on the farms policy? Like grow cash crops rather than food?

Next Swill Gates Found A Shun Quote:
"Gather and analyze data to improve decision-making."

Is gathering info on African farmers more important to their farming success than irrigation equipment? Silly question right? I ask though because while Swill Gates is collecting info from every undeveloped nation on their farmers, he's providing irrigation equipment only to Nuclear Armed India...

You'd think India would have a handle on the irrigation equipment before they go building nuclear weapons...

The third arm of Swill gates efforts is making sure people are able to open bank accounts, supposedly with the purpose of helping people save. How many bank accounts are there in America? Americans currently have on average negative savings. So if you want to promote saving, is providing bank accounts really what stimulates such? It seems to me what really stimulates saving is wages above living expenses. Storing your money in a crummy bank with a less than 1% yearly interest rate is not some sure fire plan to stimulate savings. It is though a plan which will facilitate building a database to store names and addresses of the whole worlds population...

The Swill and Melinda Gates Foundation in my estimation is a front to mass murder, waste, greed and massive corruption.

The authors article about Capitalizing on Philanthropy is an egregiously shallow examination of a topic rife with complexity. File with propaganda.

edwarmi@hotmail.com said:



Thu, 2009-01-01 16:24

thanks CG. I recently published a summry of responses to "Just another Emperor" here: http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/philanthrocapitalism-the-myths-and-realities-of-the-myths-and-realities

GGabriel said:



Thu, 2009-01-01 01:48

Really great piece. Your points about the potential for structural change in both social relations and economic domination are particularly important. Importing markets into the very domain in which people seek to challenge their distributional failures to me seems deeply illconceived.

We must not allow the "accountability" banner to be appropriated as a justification for marketization, it is too important. We have seen the "accountability" of the market in the generation of the current financial crisis, and the disgusting continuation of smash and grab policies in relation to emergency liquidity injections

Cathy Fitzpatrick said:



Mon, 2008-08-18 18:41

No, Mike, I wouldn't change a thing about what I wrote, and you might, again, wish to revise your blanket statements exactly in light of your URL links to the Times:

o in free countries, the free media, which BTW is a capitalist project of its own, and a corporation that presumably *does* pay its taxes, is able to bring to light precisely these issues of corporate responsibility, and corporations shirking their taxes

o in such countries, groups can get organized and bring public attention and even attempt litigation on these issues

o government regulation is there to be invoked as well in a country with democratic participation

 More often than not, you're not even able to become aware of these kinds of issues in a country like Russia or China or Nigeria precisely because they discourage NGOs and free media.

Naturally, this issue of how much taxes you make corporations pay has to be debated vigorously in a free society and there needs to be just laws, as killing off business initiative kills off wealth needed to make a society flourish.  Or did you really think a "civil society movement" is going to achieve everything needed in a country?

The Times itself says, "This country’s corporate tax rates are among the highest in the
industrial world, yet the taxes that corporations pay are among the
lowest." Maybe you get better compliance if you don't incite dodging by making them too high? Needs to be debated.

 

Cathy Fitzpatrick

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/un_tethered

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/ngo_accountability

edwarmi@hotmail.com said:



Mon, 2008-08-18 20:48

tks Cathy, "maybe you get better compliance if you don't incite dodging by making them too high? Needs to be debated."Well, that's certainly true! How about we abolish corporate taxes completely so the poor dears aren't force to dodge them all the time? I guess the rest of us will have to keep on paying more than our fair share to make up the difference. That's what civil society is all about you see - a voluntary acceptance of the obligations we share with each-other - and the opposite of "dodging".

Civil society certainly won't "achieve everything that is needed" as you point out, but it will certainly keep up the pressure for public and private interests to shoulder their share of our common responsibilities. Good examples include the “Center for Public Integrity” (http://www.publicintegrity.org) and “Citizens for Tax Justice” (http://www.ctj.org/) which do more to bring these issues into the public domain on a daily basis than what you call the “Capitalist project” of the “free media.”

All the Best,

Mike Edwards

Cathy Fitzpatrick said:



Tue, 2008-08-19 05:01

I wouldn't advocate any sort of extreme position such as "not having the poor dears pay their taxes." But if making them too high incites tax evasion, why not take a second look? That's what a democracy society and its elected Congress is for. Nobody suggests that individuals bear the brunt of tax paying, that's silly.

Sure, Center for Public Integrity and other such groups are all good things, but they have nowhere near the reach of mainstream media and do not have the power of the purse of an elected Congress. Do you utterly repudiate elected democratic government, hoping to replace it with unelected NGOs? Or?

You'll simply not get me to find something inherently evil about capitalist, commercial, free media, in a capitalist, free society that has chosen that social system. Your very NGOs cited live off grants that come from the last century's wealth now in foundations; a robust system of incentive to donate to non-profit groups and get a write-off from taxes is what makes the NGO sector as robust as it is. 

It's one thing to challenge this business hype about "social entrepreneurs" and the selectivity that implies about causes, and the stress that places especially on more amateur grassroots organizations. I do that, too. But it's another thing to use that legitimate concern about overhype of the business approach merely as a cover to pursue a classic strategy to undermine the whole capitalist system. If you're going to do *that*, be straightforward about it.

I'd like you to reply to the concerns about your radical agenda. Are you suggesting that such groups overthrow this evil capitalist state in order to make it accountable, or what exactly is the plan?

When you write something like this, I think you need to be explicit about your recipe for achieving this extreme an agenda:

"My worry is that the hype surrounding philanthrocapitalism
will divert attention from the deeper changes that are required to
transform society, reduce decisions to an inappropriate bottom line,
and lead us to ignore the costs and trade-offs involved in extending
business principles into the world of civil society and social change."

and

""support the transition to more radical approaches that might deliver the deeper changes that we need, like new business models built around"the commons" such as open-source software and other forms of "non-proprietary production"; and community economics and worker-ownedfirms, which increase citizen control over the production and distribution of the economic surplus that businesses create"

 Er, will there be armed insurrection to get these "deeper changes"? Who gets to decide what's surplus, and how it should be "distributed"?

 Cathy Fitzpatrick

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/un_tethered

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/ngo_accountability

edwarmi@hotmail.com said:



Tue, 2008-08-19 11:38

excellent, tks Cathy, I'm glad we agree. I'd prefer a public debate about "philanthrocapitalism" to an "armed insurrection" - that's why I wrote the book. If it's a full an equal one I'm pretty sure it will lead us somewhere before we have to mount the  barricades. That's the only way to answer the questions you raise in a reasonably democratic fashion.Far from being a "extreme agenda", transforming society is the duty of every responsible citizen, I think. It's just that we diasgree on what it means and how to get there.

All the Best,

Mike Edwards

Cathy Fitzpatrick said:



Mon, 2008-08-18 17:09

Mike, Re:

"

  • pay your taxes
  • don't produce goods that harm people
  • pay decent wages and benefits
  • stop subverting politics
  • obey regulations in the public interest"

In fact, most businesses *do* do those things in Europe and the United States. If they didn't, there would be the kind of widespread revolts, or attempted revolvts, that you see in states like Russia, Nigeria, China, Brazil. Really, it is far too blanket a statement to claim that "philanthrocapitalism does none of those thigns". It succeeds precisely because business more or less does provide these goods, and when it doesn't, in a free society, people are free to litigate and affect change -- and do achieve results, i.e. on tobacco.

 

Cathy Fitzpatrick

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/un_tethered

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/ngo_accountability

Not logged in (not verified) said:



Sat, 2009-01-03 09:18

oh really when did the tobacco death rate drop?

I thought it was still pushing half a million yearly just like the last 40 years.

You're obviously of the mind to measure social advancement by dollars in the bank, in the tobacco example you site, that'd be dollars in the bank for multimillionaire personal injury litigation lawyers.

Yea, tobacco murder raves on AND some lawyers got rich...

What could be "done" on tobacco is that they stop growing the stuff in plutonium laden fertilizer. Tobacco is today intently grown in plutonium laden fertilizer which was suppressed by the courts, the media and the lawyers who operated the tobacco lawsuit scam on the American people...

Nah, lets just measure it by dollars in the bank for the wealthy and call it a win.

One more thing, what was gotten from the tobacco companies was a pittance when for their mass murder they should have been bankrupted and jailed.

Civil rights is now, you have the right to give your child pthalate and lead poisoned toys for Christmas... and feed your child melamine tainted formula...

edwarmi@hotmail.com said:



Mon, 2008-08-18 18:22

thanks Cathy, did you see this editorial in today's New York Times?

 http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/18/opinion/18mon2.html?sq=corporate%20taxes&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp=1&adxnnlx=1219086105-ii5Z75OOyziJwuoFd1hD/g&pagewanted=print

It describes a new report from the US Government Accountability Office which shows that two thirds of companies in the United States pay no corporate income taxes.

 

Would you like to revisit your comment in the light of these findings?

 

All the best 

 

Mike Edwards

Cathy Fitzpatrick said:



Mon, 2008-08-18 17:04

I've addressed some concerns I've had with this approach on the other thread here, including a real questioning of the efficacy of OLPC:

http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/globalisation/philanthrocapitalism/civil_society_and_capitalism_a_new_landscape

 But I'd like to add a real repudiation of this comment:

"support the transition to more radical approaches that might deliver
the deeper changes that we need, like new business models built around
"the commons" such as open-source software and other forms of
"non-proprietary production"; and community economics and worker-owned
firms, which increase citizen control over the production and
distribution of the economic surplus that businesses create"

 What this undoubtedly involves is a revolutionary socialist movement. And it inevitably involves trying to shoehorn a diverse civil society that might have many different visions and approachs into one centrally-controlled "better world movement". And history has shown time and again that such movements and ideals *do not work*. By themselves, these radical movements, skipping steps of law and due process on the way to their radical transformation, are the least accountable of all. They destroy, and do not affect some kind of sustainable and viable change.

The opensource movement has never been able to figure out how to get people paid, and sustain a living. It relies on the largesse of everything from IT corporations where geeks work by day to Mom paying for the basement. The OS idealists basically operate on the premise, "Your information wants to be free/mine is available for a consulting fee, however." They obfuscate knowledge, and make it necessary to hire them as the "open source gurus". It's not a recipe for a full-capacity free economy, only something that works with some software projects, and arguably, not even very well there.

 I'm also concerned about an overly professionalized and commercial approach to NGO functioning that is creeping in, and not so much at the behest of corporations, but at the behest of foundations, who are the loudest to tout the "social entrepreneur" mantras. But there isn't anything inherently "wrong" with professionalizing, and with businesses being in the business of civil society. That *is* civil society, writ large. No, there merely has to be tolerance and an ecology for a wide range of organizations, from amateur and volunteer to paid and professional, working at a variety of levels with a variety of methods, for what works.

 

Cathy Fitzpatrick

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/un_tethered

http://3dblogger.typepad.com/ngo_accountability

lkcl said:



Sun, 2008-04-27 17:38

anyone interested in sustainable philanthropy should read "Creating a World without Poverty" by Muhammad Yunus.

an article describing the parallels and the good match between free software and the "social business" concept.

CarolineHartnell said:



Sun, 2008-03-30 16:52

For me, the central point about Mike Edwards' 'Just Another Emperor?' is exactly what the name suggests: the need to get past the hype and analyse exactly what philanthrocapitalism can and can't contribute. What clothes is this particular emperor wearing?

Mike gives philanthrocapitalism full credit for being able to extend access to socially beneficial goods and services - and that is indisputably a good thing. But there is always a problem with new trends, like philanthrocapitalism, which is that those that don't conform to them are made to appear second best: philanthropists who are not adopting 'business methods' and using adequate 'metrics' are seen as 'old-fashioned' and 'ineffective'; civil society organizations are seen as woolly and unbusinesslike. Unpicking the hype so that everyone can do what they do best without trying to be something else is therefore important.

It is hardly surprising that philanthrocapitalists are in the last analysis unlikely to achieve real social change, or transformation. As Mike points out, business approaches are often at odds with those needed for social change - competition vs cooperation; individual vs collective action; an emphasis on measurable results in a short time vs patient, long-term support for the messy and unpredictable processes of social change.

But more than anything, the underlying values are in conflict: philanthrocapitalism is a product of individuals making large personal fortunes. The very wealthy can wield enormous power in society, through their philanthropy as well as their economic activities. But social justice demands greater equality between people in terms of possessions and power. And the limits of the hard-pressed earth we live in mean that if everyone is to have enough, many may have to be content with less. How much transformation of the world that has made philanthrocapitalists so rich can they be expected to support?

edwarmi@hotmail.com said:



Fri, 2008-03-28 16:11

Thanks to Iannis for the contribution, but one which misses the point I'm trying to make. The question isn't whether "business people can be altruistic" (of course they can) or whether "business should contribute it's know how to helping others" (of course they should), but what are the actual effects of business involvement in activities that are intended to promote social change? Where is business involvement useful, where might it be damaging, and do we have the evidence to separate one from the other? Here's a list of things that business could usefully do:

  • pay your taxes
  • don't produce goods that harm people
  • pay decent wages and benefits
  • stop subverting politics
  • obey regulations in the public interest

The problem is, philanthrocapitalism does none of these things. Why might that be Iannis? Mike Edwards

ianniscarras said:



Sat, 2008-04-05 21:48

Thank you also Mike for responding to my slightly arrogant comment (a response I only read today).

I agree with you that business can do all the things that you lay out, and of course 'philanthrocapitalism' does not do these things in and of itself.

The question to me seems to be if (a big if) business does all these things, is a society where business plays a major role in philanthropic projects (with the aim of promoting social change) preferable to one where business does not play such a role. I would prefer the first society to the second, though the answer will in the end be a matter of degree.

I can of course only speak from one very subjective vantage-point. And that is the view of someone that lives in a country where the state and its bureaucratic apparatus (a mandarin cast of politically appointed officials) effects all aspects of life, seriously hindering sectors as diverse as NGOs, business, education and health-care from innovating and making the sort of choices people make on a regular basis in more developed countries.

I believe that in countries like mine business involvement in philanthropy increases the range of choices available for everyone and can on certain occasions offer innovative solutions to dealing with specific problems.

But I also do not see such a great gulf between business and other sectors of society. A business person can also serve in an NGO, say. It would seem churlish to criticise such activities except when real conflicts of interest are evident.

Business by its very nature promotes social change in a major way, both for good and for bad. We should not therefore be a priori against business philanthropy, but rather judge its effects and effectiveness on a case by case basis. I find it difficult to believe that business philanthropy is necessarily either less or more effective than equivalent NGO and government inspired projects.

Iannis Carras, Athens, Greece.

ianniscarras said:



Fri, 2008-03-28 07:44

In so many ways Michael Edwards comments seem to me to be profoundly mistaken.

First, is it good that business should contribute its profits and know-how to helping others? Clearly it is. Second, are business people capable of altruistic behaviour? They are people after all, just like the rest of us. Third, is it useful for there to be a further source of funding for philanthropy apart from government and schemes financed on a small scale by the individuals involved. As someone who is active in the running of an environmental NGO here in Greece I would say that it is essential, above all because it provides greater freedom for NGOs and citizen groups to select the sources of their funding. Different NGOs will have different strategies on this front and this plethora is a great benefit to society in total.

The real questions are it seems to me not those posed by Michael Edwards. Should government regulation help or hinder such philanthropy through (for example) tax concessions? And is such philanthrocapitalism more or less effective than other forms of philanthropy / state support? I would answer the first question in the affirmative. And the second on a case by case basis, taking into account the aims of any particular project.

Michael Edwards seems rather to be arguing against philanthrocapitalism as the only source of funding and inspiration for philanthropic projects, clearly something that would be undesirable. But even there he seems to be wedded to an overly negative idea of the market. I quote: "It is perfectly possible to use the market to extend access to useful goods and services, but far harder to have any substantial impact on social transformation".

But is the market not, for better and for worse, one of the major factors effecting social movement, politics and the state? I can think of a few countries where this might not have been the case; I'm not sure though that it would have been much fun to live there.

Iannis Carras, Athens, Greece.

edwarmi@hotmail.com said:



Thu, 2008-03-27 12:52

Hi Simon, no I don't think you are being cynical, and I don't think Bill Gates is either (he can speak for himself, of course). You just see different routes to the same goal, and evaluate their costs and benefits differently. That's why we need this debate. But your point about the limitations of retrovirals as as a solution to HIV/Aids is well-taken. You could say the same thing about any 'one-shot solution' to a complex problem - new vaccines, environmentally-friendly lightbulbs and cars, micro-credit loans and so on. Getting more of these things to more people has to be a priority, and Gates and others are contributing to that goal big-time, but they are only part of what we need. Investments in public health systems, new values and institutions, and a redistiribution of global power and resources are as or more important, so that societies have the capacity and the willingness to deal with the problems that will reappear when technologies inevitably come up short. I hope this debate will play itself out in public over the next few years. Mike

Anthony Barnett said:



Wed, 2008-03-26 11:57

Mike did a radio interview with Dallas about this you can listen to it here

collery said:



Tue, 2008-03-25 11:49

Dear Michael
Interesting article. You mention Gates quite early on. One of the initiatives he supports is the possibility of putting people considered to be in danger of contracting HIV on antiretrovirals, which is expected to reduce the transmission probability.

The problem is that this expensive measure will increase resistance to those antiretrovirals. Then when people become infected, they need even more expensive alternatives, which themselves may not work or may not work for long.

As it is, it's difficult for poor people to take antiretrovirals for the rest of their life when they do not even feel ill. But missing doses for a short time usually results in resistance. So what are the chances that people who are not even HIV positive will take this medication, this 'prophylaxis'?

It sounds as if Gates is supporting the pharmaceutical industry, rather than people who are HIV positive or are in danger of becoming HIV positive. This is a rich man's solution that will benefit other rich people but could do a lot of damage to very poor and vulnerable people.

Am I being cynical or is he?
Regards
Simon

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