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The AfPak war: Washington’s three options

Paul Rogers, 23 - 02 - 2009

The United States's strategic predicament in Afghanistan and Pakistan is deepening. What will Barack Obama do?

(This article was first published on 23 February 2009)


The United States decision in the closing months of 2008 to send an additional 3,000 troops to Afghanistan was largely in response to an escalation in Taliban activity that has now lasted through the current winter. Those troops, from the 10th Mountain Division that has repeatedly been deployed in Afghanistan since the start of the war in October 2001, are now installed in Logar and Wardak provinces south of Kabul (see "Afghanistan's critical moment", 6 February 2009). President Barack Obama announced on 17 February 2009 that he is deploying 17,000 more US soldiers, many of whom will attempt to limit the free exchange of paramilitaries between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Paul Rogers is professor of peace studies at Bradford University, northern England. He has been writing a weekly column on global security on openDemocracy since 26 September 2001

In the past two weeks there has been a much greater media focus in the United States on the deterioration in security in Afghanistan, much of it prompted by the decision to send the extra troops. This has even made headlines across the domestic news-channels, occasionally even displacing the dominant concern with the economy; but this rare focus on an international story is accompanied by commentary that tends to underplay impact of more troops on the wider strategic environment. Indeed, one result of the Republican efforts to define a narrative of victory in Iraq around the effects of the 2007-08 "surge" has been an assumption that what "worked" there will have a similar effect in Afghanistan.

This ignores the fact that senior US military commanders remain deeply reluctant to withdraw large numbers of troops from Iraq, not least because they are far from sure that the surge really has had the claimed effect (see Helene Cooper, "Fearing Another Quagmire in Afghanistan", New York Times, 24 January 2009). Their reluctance also means that the US army and the marine corps remain seriously overstretched, which makes the desire for greater Nato burden-sharing in Afghanistan so strong.

The meeting in Krakow of Nato defence ministers on 19-20 February 2009 has not had the desired result in this respect. The US defence secretary, Robert M Gates, has had reluctantly to accept that increased Nato support in Afghanistan will come only in the form of civil aid and assistance with police and army training (see Matthew Day et al, "US demands for more troops in Afghanistan ignored", Daily Telegraph, 19 February 2009).

Poland and Britain are the only allies that have appeared to offer much support; but even if both countries agreed to increase their troop levels further (from Britain's 8,300 and Poland's 1,000) the numbers would be unlikely to exceed 2,000-3,000. This is far below the figure of 10,000-plus extra troops (in addition to the current reinforcement) that many analysts in Washington believe is necessary if the military situation is to be stabilised and the Taliban surge countered.

In addition to his weekly openDemocracy column, Paul Rogers writes an international security monthly briefing for the Oxford Research Group; for details, click here

Paul Rogers's most recent book is Why We're Losing the War on Terror (Polity, 2007) - an analysis of the strategic misjudgments of the post-9/11 era and why a new security paradigm is needed

A four-way tide

The extent of the current problems in Afghanistan is illustrated in four current developments:

* Washington's new director of national intelligence, Denis Blair, warns that "Afghanistan's weak and corrupt government is failing to halt the spread of Taliban control", and says that "public support for the Taliban and local warlords" is increasing (see Mark Mazzetti, "Intelligence director says global crisis is top threat to U.S.", International Herald Tribune, 13 February 2009)

* The Pakistani government's agreement on 16 February 2009 to change the legal system in the Swat region may bring to an end the intense fighting between 12,000 government troops and an estimated 3,000 paramilitaries, but it is also likely to allow an increase in Taliban influence outside of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) next to the border with Afghanistan. This makes it deeply unpopular in Washington. Richard Holbrooke, the special envoy of President Obama to Pakistan and Afghanistan (or what an increasing number of strategists is coming to call "AfPak") is worried that it could amount to a surrender to the Taliban (see "US concerned over Pakistan deal", BBC News, 20 February 2009)

* Three government ministries in Kabul were hit on 11 February by simultaneous suicide-attacks. This can be seen as an extension of the "swarm" tactics that have been used by paramilitary groups in several countries (see John Arquilla, "The coming swarm", New York Times, 14 February 2009). The use of several small units in simultaneous actions has proved to be effective; the Mumbai attacks in November 2008 tied down most of India's federal counter-terror forces, for example (see "The lessons of Mumbai", 1 December 2008). The ability of the Taliban to conduct such operations in Kabul is yet another indication of their penetration into the heart of the capital

* The Kyrgyz parliament voted on 19 February to end the US agreement to utilise the Manas air base, which is currently used to tranship 15,000 US troops and 500 tonnes of equipment a month through to Afghanistan. The plan for the Russians to take over the base makes this an even greater setback for the US, even if there may be further negotiations before the evacuation is enforced (see Thom Shanker & Ellen Barry, "U.S. hints at payment to keep Kyrgyz air base open", International Herald Tribune, 20 February 2009).

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A three-way choice

The pressures of the Afghan situation face the Barack Obama administration with three core policy options. The first is to maintain the status quo. The aim would in military terms be to avoid any increase in violence while in political terms accepting the need to make pragmatic deals both with an ineffective government in Kabul and with an array of regional warlords. The United States would in this event reinforce its own troop levels, without expectation of any major injection of fresh forces from its Nato allies. The hoped-for result would be to prevent security in Afghanistan from deteriorating further and thus al-Qaida from re-establishing itself. This would require a decade-long commitment at current levels of engagement.

The second option is to find the means to increase military forces in Afghanistan to well above 100,000 troops - even if this entails an early and risky withdrawal from Iraq. The aim would be to defeat the diverse Taliban and warlord militias, thus subduing violence and facilitating a peaceful transition of security and power. This would require a long-term US military presence, but with the function of enforcing a peace rather than suppressing a war.

The third option is to withdraw in a planned and phased way. The aim would be to minimise further losses and damage in a campaign acknowledged to be essentially unwinnable. The US would in this event be accepting that the western military presence is widely viewed in Afghanistan as a foreign occupation that serves to stimulate violent opposition. This would require a readiness to negotiate and compromise with elements of the Taliban and other militias (much as the Islamabad administration has done in Swat).

The surprise option

What will the Obama administration decide? It is worth remembering that in its broad stance towards the George W Bush administration's conduct of the "war on terror", it has as yet shown few signs of new (far less radical) thinking. Indeed, and in contrast to its policies on the domestic economic crisis, the current administration so far represents continuity rather than change. The proposed Afghan troop "surge" is only the most notable example (see (see Charlie Savage, "Obama's war on terror may resemble Bush's", International Herald Tribune, 19 February 2009).

It is likelier, then, that the emerging Afghan policy will be much more in the direction of the first or even second options than the third. The problem for Obama and his colleagues in that event, however, is that neither choice may actually be workable - in part because conditions in Afghanistan have gone too far, in part because the world has passed the point where it is conceivable for western states to occupy countries such as Iraq or Afghanistan.  

More immediately, the conflict in Afghanistan cannot be separated from developments in western Pakistan. They are part of the same, "AfPak", reality. This makes the Swat agreement significant in terms of the Obama administration's three policy options: for if it does seek a closure in Afghanistan that brings some measure of achievement it will have to extend its war much more fully to Pakistan, with all the dangers that entails. This, at its heart, is the same dilemma that was faced by George W Bush and would have been faced by John McCain if he had won the November 2008 election.  

There is, however, at least the potential for a different approach. The infusion of 17,000 troops notwithstanding, a fundamental and long overdue reassessment of Afghanistan policy may yet take place in the coming months. The Obama administration might just have or acquire the capacity, the confidence, the judgment and the resources for a radical change in policy. The door to a surprising outcome is by no means closed.

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richard said:



Fri, 2009-03-06 10:27

Things are not looking good. Everyone agrees that a purely military victory in Afghanistan is not a realistic option, but the Afghan state is drifting towards being a failed state, with Pakistan also beginning to move in that direction. In a few years' time they could both end up in the horrific situation that obtains in Somalia.

Western forces should not  be in there, but a swift withdrawal in the present circumstances could bring forward the Somalisation of AFPAK, with the Pakistani component in posession of nuclear weapons.

There are many things that need to be done to foster stability and good governance, but the single most important is to legitmise the Afghan Opium crop, buy it, and divert it to medical  use in places like Africa, where millions die in agony each year from cancer without the benefit of opiate analgesics.  Google ICOS for more.

guest 35 (not verified) said:



Tue, 2009-02-24 18:20

closed and undemocratic thinking

please do not let the high "technical" standard of this piece fool you - this is precisely the kind of article that a soviet analyst could have penned after their invasion went sour (due to US/WEurope/Saudi/Pakistani support to the "afghan" mujahedeen)

behind the supposedly neutral and matter-of-fact analysis lurk many assumptions of incredible simplicity such as: taliban: bad, West: good, troops out of iraq: risky -> implication: occupation troops are "stabilizing" iraq, taliban takeover would allow al quaida to regroup, and many, many more...

interesting omissions: Western air strikes / massacres as one main reason for pubic opinion, logistical problems inflicted through military attacks on supply lines - i.e. everything that would make "us" look bad...

suggestion: stop treating your readers like little children (and stop taking money from rockefeller foundation et al. while you're at it)

Agilis Lux said:



Mon, 2009-02-23 18:10

Realistically there is only ONE option: Out ASAP!

As in November 2001 the Bushviks invaded A-Stan, they simply ignored the Russian lessons! Out of pure arrogance, that this would never be happened to the USA and the clear intention to build bases, occupy and install a government of their choice!

Giving the slaughter from the air a fig leaf the GWOT was invented to fight a ragtag gang of fanatics. Their number is growing due to increasing poverty throughout AfPak and will only contribute to a lasting “enduring disaster”. This parallel “mission” in turn is the main cause why many NATO members are unable to contribute with more troops. It would be more honest to move out and support economically as best as possible in this times of ours.

michaelcalder said:



Mon, 2009-02-23 11:15

First, let's ignore all the "charisma and courage" bit; whether it's Obama or Clinton.  Charisma and posturing are irrelevant; we've had enough mood music, rhetoric, and propaganda.  What is important is the action performed and the plan for the future.

Force doesn't work; the imposition of an external agenda will be resisted.  The only result will be re-invigourisation of what we wish not to see.  The only military option that would work is virtual extermination. Let's hope that this is not being considered.

It is clear that the problem is cultural, ideology-based, and multi-national, covering Afghanistan, much of Pakistan, other pockets of territory, and substantial minorities elsewhere, over much of the region.

The only way change will come is from inside; a change of culture and a change of attitude.  Let us be blunt; the only long-term hope is for secularisation of the region; religious extremism, faith rather than rationality, religion itself, is the problem. 

The only means by which this may be accomplished is by education, economic development, and rational, peaceful, example. Increased secularisation of our own societies will help.

It will not work overnight, or even over the term of two or three administrations of whatever country you care to name, but it is the only strategy that has any hope of success.

Perhaps that is why no politician will ever support it.

Clear skies!

AQ Khan said:



Sun, 2009-02-22 21:22

President Obama must always keep in his full view the miserable failures of his predecessor on two fronts - "Economy" and "Foreign Policy", which delivered him the American nation's mandate to reign and run all their planetary affairs by occupying the White House, and to his rivals - the relegation to a minority party and their resultant vacation in disgrace, of the White House occupancy.

 

Overwhelming the greatest Economic Crises ever witnessed by this planet as efficiently and as early as possible on concrete basis, rightly is and has to be his number One priority, followed by restoring America's hard-earned worldwide prestige, the most priceless asset of any nation, keeping in view Thomas Fuller's precocious advice "Contradictions should awaken attention, not passion."

 

Obama is exceptionally luck to have Hillary - one of the world's greatest Stateswomen equipped with really rare credentials, charisma, competence and courage -  to initiate, execute and supplement his efforts (the world has just witnessed her "speaking so effectively" through "listening") - putting her as SoS, though tentamounts to using a Cannon like a Catapult. 

 

Obama himself is also enjoying so far truly unique global charismatic popularity which merits to be protected and promoted in letter and spirit, as this factor alone makes this ideal Hillary-Obama combination potent enough not only to restore USA's planetary prestige and political power, but can magnify it beyond imagination, IF the global conflicting issues are handled exclusively on genuine merit, without any prejudice and preconceptions.  No mistake can be rectified by committing another as it only compounds the adverse consequences.

 

Not logged in Lawrence Efana (not verified) said:



Sun, 2009-02-22 20:25

Paul Rogers, there is every reason to appreciate your paper: one of the most strategically structured of your posts so far, though with immense bearings] on 'AfPak war' case.

For a paper so good but concise as this is a matching response or comment, permit saying this "would surely need a sound footing in "intelligence analysis". But then, in that case you have done it all so thank you!

'Some' of what can be sifted from the comments seen are interesting as well.

The concluding section couldn't be better! Let's add to it some flesh, because of the question: "what will Obama administration decide?"; further elaborating the risk that his administration could be a continuity of Bush's administration than the change promised. "Appreciation" of that risk has been well managed in your analysis, with reference to 'decisiveness' on the economic-policy bailout front. The "wish" is that the American almighty "foreign-policy" front could be dealt with in a similar manner - what world public opinion is impatient about.

The flesh to add assumes a form of reminder: the new administration - less than a hundred days old] embarked on the path of national unity government. The sense of cross-party solidarity baked into that did not materialize in the economic bailout debates across party-lines in the Houses, indicating how rooted in "tit-for-tat" - if one could put it that way] that American party positions could sound even in times of severe national crisis. That recalcitrance and or unbending stance might constrain the foreign policy front, calling for care, balance and trade-offs, all of which might delay decisiveness, but not necessarily alter the resolve of the chief executive and the team.

While world public opinion might be impatient - itself good because it signals engagement and concern, it is wise to advise against drawing quick parallels with the experience in Vietnam defined by the Johnson/Nixon eras. 'AfPak-war' might be a "soup" case - with too many cooks], still there has to be a sense of patience - with so much to disentangle by restructuring the diplomacy and finding ways to make the process credible. The element "Shanghai Accord" is unique: needs good diplomacy, whereas the promise of additional 17.000 troops might also be seen supportive in a similar manner, buying the time for good and trusting diplomacy to take hold.

Those appreciating various ways: not of-course risk-free would not underestimate the Pakistani recent trade-off. Washington should be admonished to see it one-of-the-ways forward. That is, not necessarily a signal of capitulation. Understanding your position Rogers, in favor of 'PEACE' and recognition that the way to it in this as in other cases could be winding, it is a pleasure to join you believing that the door to a surprising outcome [hopefully one that is positive] is by no means closed.

michaelcalder said:



Sun, 2009-02-22 11:49

What will President Obama do?  He has already told us, in effect.  Not by any explicit declaration, of course, but in the small print which, sadly, is quite different from the grand rhetoric.

The grand rhetoric is "Yes, we can", "open hands", "closing Guantanamo", "forbidding torture", and so on.

We have now, however, seen the small print. 

Close Guantanamo, yes (some few hundreds of prisoners outwith the realm of the law), but not only keep Bagram open (and all the other "facilities" on foreign soil far from the remit of US law when convenient) - but extend it. Some estimates give up to 18,000 as the current number of prisoners without trial, charge, independent examination, and all the rest of the civilised appurtenances of legal process; these numbers are presumably to be increased, given that the "facilities" are to be expanded. 

"Rendition" - the movement of persons between and outside jurisdictions without benefit of any legal process, is to continue.

This is not a contention, not an accusation; this has been explicitly stated by the US Administration.

When there is such a disconnect between the grand rhetoric and practical action, one does not just suspect the Way of the Weasel, one sees it in action. 

By this decision to throw overboard any claims to legality and openness for the benefit of hiding the unpleasantness of the actions of one's tools, the Administration has indicated that its intentions are, without doubt, the use of force, overt or covert.

Given the magnitude of the task and the operations involved, overt action must be being considered as an ongoing means, if only to cloak what is being done covertly.

So, on present evidence, we can forget disengagement.  The status quo is unlikely; that would be seen to be doing nothing, and he who does nothing in the alpha male context is at risk.

So expansion of force majeure it is.  On the same terms as before.

"Hail to the new boss, just like the old boss"?

Not exactly.  At least with Bush one knew where one was; an ignorant, uneducated bully with an eye to the main chance.

Obama is at least intelligent, and mindful of the necessity to present an acceptable face to the world.  Unfortunately, he seems to have chosen the route of the smiler with the knife, to become the acceptable mouthpiece for "the derke imagining of felonye, and al the compassing".

So ultimately, for all his vaunted intelligence, Obama has chosen to act in a profoundly stupid manner, for above all the application of force will not work. 

Not only that, but the application of means contrary to accepted norms of international law and propriety will bring nothing but odium on the perpetrator.  Concealment of means and acts will only hold for a time, and depends on the qualities of those involved; if you depend on people with no moral qualms, you cannot expect loyalty.

Therefore in all but the very short term, the USA cannot expect to be seen as acting with any moral justification or authority.

A sad disappointment, and one that came so quickly.

Clear skies!

Steven Rogers said:



Sun, 2009-02-22 06:18

First of all, let's dismiss the spectacularly inappropriate notion that there is some connection between the Afghanistan war and the Israel/Palestine war.  There isn't.  Not even a shred of one.  Nobody in Afghanistan or Pakistan is fighting for or because of Palestine.  That includes Osama bin Laden, as anyone who has taken the time to study his writings already knows.

Second... this comment is so blatantly hilarious that it belongs on a comedy page:

"The third option is to withdraw in a planned
and phased way...  This would require a readiness
to negotiate and compromise with elements of the Taliban and other militias
(much as the Islamabad administration has done in Swat)."

Does anyone think that any compromise negotiated as a part of an American withdrawal would be honored once that withdrawal was complete... or even while the withdrawal was in progress?  Of course it wouldn't.

The notion that the Taliban will be benign if only we leave them alone flies in the face of history.  We have been there and done that: the Taliban were left alone and unprovoked from 1992 to 2001.  We all know where that ended up.  The Taliban were offered a quite reasonable compromise: all they had to do was cease sheltering al Qaeda, and they would be left alone.  They refused that compromise already, why would they approach the same issue any differently in the future?

The US can remain in Afganistan and face an expensive, miserable, and functionally unwinnable war.

Or the US can withdraw and leave Afghanistan to the Taliban.  If that happens, al Qaeda will unquestionably re-establish its network there, and al Qaeda will unquestionably attack again, leading to another invasion and the same set of unanswerable questions.

Not a pleasant set of alternatives, by any means.

Canopus said:



Mon, 2009-02-23 11:25

We should not forget that the Taleban were willing to hand over Ben Laden to the Pakistani jurisdiction in 2001, provided that sufficient evidence for his guilt was given by the US. The US did not agree on that and invaded Afghanistan instead. The Taleban have always been a force with a (without question quite ugly) LOCAL agenda - the global struggle against the "west" has never been a common ideological feature of the Taleban and Al-Quaeda. However, after seven years of insurgent activity, the Taleban and Al-Quaeda have nowadays a lot more in common than before 2001. As it seems, the US have once again created another foe of their own...

imnor said:



Sat, 2009-02-21 16:07

A very comprehensive & realistic comment from deteodoru. It reflects his sense of history as well as intimate knowledge of perverse paradigms pervading the US politics. His understanding of the role of Israel vis-à-vis Middle East etc is remarkable. Our friends in US, generally, tend to theorize about such thorny issues as per their own culture which is dominated by lobbies like the Jewish lobby, oil lobby etc. The winning of 2 terms by George W represents the force of such influential power-brokers which has wrecked US’ power/credibility/ image in the world. At the end, the Americans started treating him as the worst-ever President but can such a thing undo the damage done to the only ‘superpower’.

Since I also belong to the affected area (NWFP/Pakistan), I would suggest the following:

First, as nobody can permanently control Afghanistan etc militarily, thanks to history, culture of freedom, religion etc, Mr. Obama must heed the lessons of history. The Russians celebrated their ‘withdrawal’ twenty years back from Afghanistan on Feb 20th which broke the Soviet Union itself. An AFP report from Moscow quotes General Gromov, a Russian hero, as saying to Rissiskaya Gazeta, “I am convinced of one thing. That it is irresponsible to forget about lessons like Afghanistan.” Besides Foreign Secretary Miliband and British generals, there is a plethora of literature which would confirm that Afghanistan is neither Vietnam nor Iraq. It is something unique. No wonder, Sir Olaf Caroe, the last British Governor of NWFP and a great authority on the area stressed that the Afghan wars appear to start once they have ended.

Second, there are plenty of reports indicating that Israel using India as proxy is very active in Afghanistan which complicates the crisis. If Shanghai Accord’ part is correctly assessed above then we have a lot to be concerned about. Currently, it is only the lack of latest arms which is forcing the Taliban to launch an ‘insurgency’. They are like the Mujahideen before Regan Administration gave a liberal supply of new arms to them including Stinger missiles in 1987 and we know the results for the Russians.

Third, it is well known that even the neo-cons started courting the Taliban for peace in 2007 through Karzai etc. As the latter upped the ante, President Bush launched King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia to claim some success. The Taliban have repeatedly said that no negotiations can be held while their country is under occupation. One leader told the BBC in 2008, the “Americans have watches and we have the time.” Lately even Karzai has been openly espousing a rapprochement with Mullah Omar and urging Mr. Obama to support such a way-out.

Fourth Stratfor lately has come up with a similar solution with highly nuanced logic. A column by Friedman recently advocated that as the US had not suffered 9/11 at the hands of the Taliban, the fight against them should not be confused with the one against Al Qaeda. It was pleaded that the best way out for the US would be to restore the Taliban Govt, with some bargaining, so that the real enemy i.e. Al Qaeda can be hit hard.

As such the best policy for the US would be to stop dreaming of an empire in Afghanistan which remains a non-starter despite the destruction of that country by merciless bombing etc. This plus the indiscriminate killing of civilians in drone-attacks etc is swelling the ranks of those challenging the ‘occupation’ as ‘freedom fighters’ in Afghanistan and even Pakistan despite Indian nitpicking. In addition, crimes against Muslims under occupation in Palestine, Kashmir/India, Chehnya/ Russia etc are flaming the fires of extremism.

It is time US made its policy conform to brandishing justice instead of its unrivalled weaponry, particularly vis-à-vis the deprived Muslims, which has already killed about 2 million of them under the command of George W. People up here would forgive the US if it acknowledges its failings of yore; compensate them for their sufferings as per the traditions etc. US should not forget that it broke the Soviet Union with the help of Afghanistan/Pakistan. She by herself could not have done what actually came about.        

 

nadeem said:



Sat, 2009-02-21 08:48

What about the 4th option.  The US steps up with economic assistance meaningfully delivered. 

It is all right to accuse defenseless poor governments like Karzai of corruption! However we do so without looking at the corruption of the contractors and the military and aid apparatus that has come in with the US. Surely the analysis is incomplete without looking at this aspect of the conflict. 

 Bombimng them to kingdom come and not fixing the state has only unleashed talibanism and dehumanised all.  

 Nadeem haque

Jahan Safdar said:



Sat, 2009-02-21 00:59

A brilliant piece of work once again by Paul, which outlines the key developments taking place in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

I believe Obama administration will opt the 2nd option as it is evident in Obamas rhetoric, which contradicts what he said in his inauguration speech addressing the Muslim world that "He wants a new of way forward based on mutual respect and mutual interests".

He may be contemplating of changing his policy towards the Arab world but not towards the Muslims world in whole. The drone attacks are still killing innocent people in tirbals areas.

US should not be too concerned about Pak governments deal with the militants of SWAT. The deal is not against the constitution of Pakistan - The sharia agreement with the SWAT people is a reform in a federal goverment system. It is a process of decentralising and empowring the local goverments.

The people of SWAT  have been demanding Shria law since early 1990's way before Taliban came into power.

Us should engage with the regional countries, power forces if it wants to see a solution to this problems and truly wants to promote bilatrilism and multilatirism as a mechanism to resolve conflicts.

  

Bashy Quraishy (not verified) said:



Sat, 2009-02-21 00:56

Dear Paul Rogers
In your article "Af-Pak" war: Washington’s three options, you gave a Western intellectual perspective - a simplistic version, I may add - to a very complicated issue. Well here are 3 options seen from the viewpoint of one who comes from that Area, you discussed and who has a historical overview of Afghanistan/ Pakistan situation.

Option 1 can be that USA apologies to Afghan people for all the suffering it has inflicted, pay the damages, help to hold fair election, accept the results and say good bye. Afghans are very hospitable people. They would forgive and forget. You can not defeat a people who have never been under any occupation since Alexander the Great.
Option 2 can be to ask the influential powers in the Muslim world, including Iran and Saudi Arabia to mediate. This will bring results because Taleban listens to religious forces. But it also means that there is a general amnesty for waring factions.
Option 3 is to dry the pipeline from India and Russia of heavy arms, money and support to Talebans, start putting pressure on India to solve Kashmir problem and stop all this talk of terrorism. No one is buying this argument anymore.Taleban in Afghanistan or in Pakistan are local people who hates outside interference which Nato and USA infact is.
Anything else would result in a Vietnam like scenario and a Pakiatan-India nuclear conflict sooner or later.
That will be not a pretty sight.

Not logged in (not verified) said:



Sat, 2009-02-21 00:15

As always the choices presented by analysts are all military. And as always, all poor country governments including Karzai are corrupt.

It is perhaps worth looking at a 4th option--fixing the state as Ashraf Ghani, Afghanistan's former Finance minister has written about in a book.

The 4th option would involve looking at the economic assistance has the US given to Afghanistan? How much of what was earmarked actually reached the country? How much of it was used by US consultants and remained with beltway bandits?

Analysis like this keeps analyzing military options without placing responsibility on the US to engage in economic support following the killing.

And please corruption is not only the domain of the poor. Why is connivance between the beltway bandits and the AID not corruption as well.

BabarZM said:



Fri, 2009-02-20 22:15

Solution may be far more simpler than one may think. US needs to realize that its not father to the entire world. If US can:

1- Stop supporting Israel on Palestine issue & let the two sort out disputes in fair manner - or not - in any case its none of US's business. 

2- Set UN free of its influence so it can operation in free and fair manner, where all countries have equal vote & none has a veto. UN security council to be replaced by UN general assembly.

3- Pull out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

US needs to set itself free of all these responsibilities for sake of its own citizen & for sake of citizens of other countries across globe. US can very well become the moral superpower of the world instead of military one. The only thing it takes is to realize its limitations and disengage from world's affairs

deteodoru said:



Fri, 2009-02-20 19:44

Unfortunately, the reason for invading Afghanistan was to get binLaden. That issue was killed by the attack on Iraq, cannibalizing the assets from the Afghan War so as to present Congress with a fait accompli-- US forces in Iraq and in need for supplies so it couldn't say "NO." But the deeper the US got into Iraq, the deeper Russia, China, India, Pakistan, Iran and Central Asia got into the world's biggest heroine source. More importantly, everyone has underestimated the SHANGHAI ACCORD because of its loose official structure. However, it is a forum where common interests-- LIKE CUTTING THE US OUT OF THE REGION-- are discussed and regional advantage for each member and "observer" is assisted. So for Bush, the Afghan Theater made him the landowner in the middle of the Shanghai Accord and, thought he, the US could dominate Afghanistan with a minimum of presence. As he was losing Iraq, he gave Petraeus another star to lead the "surge." The surge was only a cover-up so that Iraq would go on long enough to make its failure "Obama's War." Unfortunately for Petraeus, instead of getting NATO Command, he got CINPAC and is now responsible if Iraq proves to be a failed venture. Given that he achieved so little, he wants time, as Bush did, so it becomes his successor's war and doesn't die on his watch. But US forces in Afghanistan are surrounded by the Shanghai Accord and none is making it easy for us. Worst still, getting alQaeda is a police job, not something for a dumb and clumsy bull in the China shop army like ours to do. If Rumsfeld's RMA has proven anything it is that our military are too technically incompetent to handle the complex RMA equipment issued them. So there we are, our TAIL cut off by the Russians and our teeth so badly spaced that we can't really bite anything definitively with no purpose in Afghanistan. We can't "modernize" the culture of the Afghans from Talibanism because we can't modernize their infrastructure, economy, government and communications. Our "modernization" effort is nothing but corporate crooks who payed the Bush Campaigns. So far it all waddled along because nobody really cared about Afghanistan nor anymore about the Taliban...not even about alQaeda and binLaden, we know, is dead. But it has now become a critical component in a box with four nuclear corners: China, Russia, India and Pakistan. So they all play us for fools as we hemorrhage money we don't have. And for those who fear a 9/11 BIS, let me tell you as a World Trade Center survivor that 9/11 happened because ATTA and friends kept flying First Class between East and West coasts and found that the pilot's cabin door was always open., despite a law passed in the 1970s when there were a lot of skyjackings to make the pilot's cabin impenetrable. Had that law been obeyed, there would have been NO 9/11! We are in Afghanistan and can't up our forces to realistic levels (Soviets hat over 500,000 troops and lost) to do any serious military pacification because Petraeus doesn't want a troops pull out that will show what a fraud his "surge" really was. But one thing is sure: as one who was in on "LBJ's War" becoming "Nixon's War"-- BOTH WARS WHEN AMERICA WAS NOT TOTALLY BROKE, I warn Obama that if he doesn't get out soon, the Afghan/Iraqi wars will become Obama's wars. Already, sensing Obama's decision to shift troops from Iraq to the Afghan failure, the Israelis-- having been comfortable with US forces in Iraq, per an Israeli official: "We look West and we see a wall of US soldiers."-- attacked Gaza to warn Obama that if the US pulls out troops, money and emphasis from the Middle East, Israel will have to massacre all the Palestinians. This only shows what regional madness he has to deal with. As victim of racism, for example, I'm sure he wouldn't want a broke America to feed Israel some $14 billion next year-- for a country of about 5 million people with more leaving than coming-- a reverse aliyah. Already the Saudis warned Obama that they will wait just so long before imposing another oil embargo on us because they need that for their standing in the Muslim World...a world that hates us for massacring so recklessly its people. Our only hope is to get out and let the Russians, EU, the Shanghai Accord, India, Pakistan and Iran deal with the Taliban, who are after all Afghans. We cannot be seen supporting the racist East Euro gangster, Lieberman, who is now king-maker in Israel. Nor can we afford to be blackmailed by either the Zionists of the Saudis. THE ONLY SOLUTION IS TO CHANGE EMPHASIS FROM POLITICS TO ECONOMICS IN OUR RELATIONS WITH OTHERS. NETANYAHU, FOR EXAMPLE IS PREPARING TO SET ASIDE THE NATIONAL SEPARATION BETWEEN JEWS AND ARABS IN PALESTINE AND TO FOCUS ON ECONOMIC INTEGRATION OF THE TWO PEOPLES, That's what we should do. Bring our troops home and engage in economic relations with all, rewarding only those allies who come to a policy accord with us with our meager foreign aid still remaining. Daniel E. Teodoru

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