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England: Nation or not?

David aka Britology Watch, 16 - 09 - 2008
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David (Cambridge, Britology Watch): I’d like to draw a new 10 Downing Street e-petition to the attention of OurKingdom readers. This reads as follows:

“We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to state whether he recognises that England is a nation”.

Readers will doubtless have their own ideas concerning the value and purpose of such petitions, especially as those demanding impossible concessions (such as immediate independence for England) abound! However, this one is meant to strike at the real heart of the issue: before we can even address the question of whether England can or should have its own parliament or even independence, we need to establish what, and indeed whether, England actually is.

The background to this petition is the conclusion I’ve come to – which is shared by many – that England presently has no official or constitutional status as a nation whatsoever: effectively, England does not exist in any meaningful legal, political or constitutional sense. So, for instance, when people complain – as I frequently do – that Gordon Brown, Westminster politicians in general and the national media refer to England as the UK / Britain, and to English matters as British matters (and that they never say England when they mean England), this ‘correctly’ reflects the legal position: there is no such thing as England other than as the name for a territory; only the UK / Britain and UK / British governance exist. Further contextual background to my thinking on this can be found >here and here.

In my view, it’s time the government were forced to come clean on this issue and state, one way or another, whether it views England as a nation or not (as I think is the case).
If, however, the answer to the petition is ‘yes, England is a nation’, this would enable the case for popular English sovereignty (the basis on which we in England might actually be consulted about our constitutional future, as well as the basis for any future English parliament) to be pressed much more powerfully: ‘as England is a nation’, we could say, ‘it is the sovereign right of her people, under human-rights legislation to which the UK government has signed up, to demand to be able to govern themselves in the manner of their own choosing’.

If, however, the answer is ‘no, England is not a nation’, then this could become a significant focus for popular protest. Again, an official statement; but this time an explicit government acknowledgement that England is no more as a nation – as opposed to the term ‘country’, preferred by the government, which carries no political or constitutional weight and is just a territorial jurisdiction.

The further details given for the petition tie in acknowledgement of England’s nation status to that of Scotland and Wales; i.e. if England is a nation, then Scotland and Wales are to be recognised as nations, too; but if England is not a nation, neither should Scotland nor Wales be accepted as such. This means that any rejection of the petition effectively also denies nationhood to Scotland and Wales; hence, the protests against it could be greatly magnified – media in those countries could be alerted. However, if the response to the petition provides any latitude to the present impression that Scotland and Wales are being allowed to reaffirm their nationhood (through devolved government etc.) while England is merely (what is left of) Britain, that, too, could help to amplify the protests in England.

I suspect the response – if the petition gets up to the requisite total of 500 signatures – will be equivocal and ambiguous. But anything less than an explicit answer to this question should be treated as a rejection of the proposition that England is a nation. Let’s watch the government try to wriggle out of this one!

However, as I’ve just said, we do need those 500 signatures. So let’s try to force the government to be honest and up-front about these vital questions of nationality. Does England exist or not? Is her people sovereign or not? Are Scotland and Wales nations, too – to say nothing of Northern Ireland? Let’s take this chance to get them to reply to this particular English question.

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tally (not verified) said:

Wed, 2008-09-17 11:17

The Cornish Democrat should ask MP's from Cornwall to take the same position as Sinn feinn and not turn up at Westminster.

britologywatch said:

Tue, 2008-09-16 16:23

@ Cornish Democrat,

True, there are lots of 'national' English institutions, as befits a great nation, or indeed any nation. And I appreciate where you're coming from, and that a sob story about England being deprived of recognition as a nation may seem completely disproportionate to you. However, none of the things you cite obviate the point I made, which is that England has no constitutional status or political recognition as a nation. Scotland and Wales are arguably in the same situation, and this is one of the things the petition is intended to test; but they do now have political recognition as nations through their devolved institutions and through statements such as Brown's infamous 'Britain of nations and regions'.

More significant perhaps than your examples is so-called 'English law': a term that would suggest that England does have some degree of separate legal status. But, of course, English law is also that of Wales (although the two systems may start to diverge if the Welsh Assembly gets powers to pass primary legislation) and is subject to the sovereignty of the UK parliament and House of Lords. This is why I call England a 'territorial jurisdiction': it's the part of the UK to which all parliamentary legislation applies without exception, and one of the territories over which English law applies.

I'm not sure I agree with your characterisation of New Labour as uniquely concerned to suppress English nationalism or - more neutral - English national identity and governance. All the main parties seem intent on ignoring the English Question; even, in the case of the Tories, seeking to replace the West Lothian Question with the Ulster Question by enlisting the support of the UUP in order to govern England as if it were Britain.  

The Cornish Democrat said:

Tue, 2008-09-16 11:47
David,
Please don't forget English Heritage, English Nature,  Enjoy England (Tourist Board), Bank of England, The English National this and that plus various English national sporting teams, the list goes on.
To say that England has no recognition I find a bit rich. England, until recently at least, had just about ALL the recognition so much so that the concept 'England' became bigger than the country of the same name.
You need to differentiate the current New Labour government, who certainly are trying to stiffle English nationalism, from the general British establishment who are quite different.

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