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Recapturing liberal Britain

David Marquand, 7 - 08 - 2008
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David Marquand (Oxford, oD author): I notice some respondents to my comment on Glasgow East have queried my statement that the UK was the first modern state. On reflection, I think I was wrong. The Netherlands was the first, I now believe.

As to when the UK achieved that status, I think you can make a good case for saying England and Scotland both became modern states in 1688/9 when they drove the Stuart dynasty from the throne. But I still think the United Kingdom as such, rather than Scotland and England separately, really became modern at the time of the Hanoverian succession - a succession determined by Parliament, remember, not by descent. Perhaps the best date would be 1715, when the first Jacobite rebellion was defeated. Or perhaps you might prefer 1746 when Bonnie Prince Charlie was finally routed. Of course another possible line of argument is that the UK is still not a modern state, since sovereignty is still not firmly located in the people.

This may seem hopelessly antiquarian and trivial, but I think it is, in fact, highly relevant to the interlinked debates on the state of the Labour Party, the relationship between Scotland (and Wales and Northern Ireland) to the British state and the evolution of the EU. The point about the Labour Party is surely this. In its early years there was quite a lot of party debate about the British constitution, some of it quite radical (e.g. support for PR and a wish to get rid of the prevailing norms of Cabinet Government). But after the party became the main anti-Conservative Party it made a Faustian bargain with the British state tradition and its defenders. In return for a chance to win power within the structure of Westminster absolutism, Labour stopped talking about the constitution and became - if anything - slightly more orthodox constitutionally than the Conservatives.

Early on in the history of 'New' Labour it looked as if this was changing, what with the devolution statutes, the Human Rights Act and the appointment of the Jenkins Commission on electoral reform. But after 9/11 Blair and his colleagues reverted to a peculiarly authoritarian and illiberal version of constitutional orthodoxy, more reminiscent of the anti-Jacobin panic of the 1790s than of anything else. That's where we are now, despite Brown's early (and I think sincere) overtures towards constitutional reformers and what might be called 'liberal Britain'. This is why 42 days is to important, as Anthony Barnett rightly keeps saying. You can't talk the talk about the British tradition of freedom while walking the walk of Blairite illiberalism.

The only hope for Labour now is to re-create the tacit liberal-social democratic coalition that put Blair into Downing Street in 1997. But to do that it has to recapture and (equally important) re-invigorate liberal Britain; and at present it is not only not doing so: it seems wilfully blind to the whole liberal tradition, except as a source of winsome sound-bites.

Much as I admire him, I'm afraid David Miliband hasn't even begun to do what's needed. So we are left with the astonishing paradox that the right-wing Conservative, David Davis, has done more to defend and inspire British liberalism than any member of the Labour Party! What the hell is happening to us as a nation and a people? This is what we ought to be talking about, not the credit crunch, the state of the housing market, the slippage in Brown's ratings, David Miliband's contorted manifesto or even the inner meaning of Glasgow East!

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Toque said:

Sat, 2008-08-09 17:59

Thanks.  It was an attempt to encourage Brown to say England and expose his lack of mandate in England.

Unfortunately he hasn't bothered to respond to it.  Perhaps he finds it hard to do so.

Anthony Barnett said:

Sat, 2008-08-09 17:33

That was a brilliant petition Gareth (Toque) you have just linked to. why didn't I know about it? I was about to sign and blog it to tell everyone. But it closed in April :-(

Toque said:

Fri, 2008-08-08 12:29

I guess the problem for Welsh-British writers like David Marquand (or Scots-Brits) is the Scots and Welsh are by fate ‘English/half-English’ in that the overwhelming dominance of England in the union has meant that - whether they like it or not - they are inheritors of England's cultural and political legacy.  They deal with this - as Brown does - by claiming that this legacy is "Britishness", and then complain - as Brown did, but doesn't now because he prefers not to mention England -that the union is hopelessly anglo-centric and anachronistic.

And that's the Catch-22.  They recognise that the Union is broke but they are unwilling disengage British politics from English politics, English politics from Scottish and Welsh politics, because in doing so they would have to abandon their English legacy, ceding sovereignty to the English people to determine the future of England and with it the future of the union, leaving them powerless.  They can't have their cake and eat it.  There is no reform of Britain without reform of England, and whilst devolution enabled Scotland and Wales to "celebrate their difference" the Little Britishers can't let the English celebrate their difference from Britain.  As they see it England is Britain, and they must have their say, so England must not have constitutional sovereignty.  Hence the contemptuous sneering at English attempts to wrest constitutional sovereignty from Westminster:  England is theirs too, England's future theirs to decide.

You only need to see how the Tories and Labour refer to English policy in UK terms to see this mindset in action.  It's the can't say England, mustn't say England, syndrome; England indivisible from Britain politically and culturally. 

britologywatch said:

Fri, 2008-08-08 09:27

And the irony is that it is the working class in England - not just the 'white' working class - that is most profoundly attached to English identity and traditions. Which just about says it all about what has happened to Labour!

Toque said:

Fri, 2008-08-08 05:22

It won't surprise you to know that I agree with you Britology Watch.  The Labour Party show the same contempt for England's liberal tradition as they do for England itself.

The destruction of the Labour Party is the surest way of protecting England.  I don't sense the same statism and love of authoritarianism from the Tories, Lib Dems, Greens or UKIP, or the same visceral hatred of England.

When was the last time you heard a Labour person rhapsodise about England in the same way they do about Britain, or Scotland or Wales.  Blunkett came begrudgingly close but the reception his paper got within the party made it clear that he was way off message, and let's face it he was the most right wing home secretary ever.

The Labour Party are engaged in intellectual guerilla warfare against England, and people like Marquand snipe at the CEP because he doesn't think they represent the type of England he wants.  Well, I have to ask what type of England do Labour want?  Where's the vision; where's the radicalism; where's the English Labour Party?  

For the sake of England, vote for anyone but Labour - the party that can't even bring itself to say "England".

Liberty shall stand upon the cliffs of Albion

Keith McBurney said:

Fri, 2008-08-08 03:38
"What the hell is happening to us as a nation and a people?"
Our nations and peoples are taking liberties and liberty to de-colonise ourselves, thats what!  
All aboard for a "Union of the Isles"?
Last to leave itself and rejoin us, please switch off the stage lights as you bring the curtain down on the final performance of GB after GB.
Aye Ours,
Keith, frae Fife & Yorkshire, for Independence & Union  

britologywatch said:

Thu, 2008-08-07 20:25

"What the hell is happening to us as a nation and a people?"

Which nation and people are you referring to? This is not just a pedantic question: you can't rediscover your country's liberal tradition until you can rediscover your country. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland (which I thought you were going to refer to, from the start of your piece) are busy reinventing both national and liberal political traditions. We the English people can get back in touch with our liberal roots only when we can reaffirm our English roots, which are, after all, where what you describe as 'liberal Britain' mostly derives from.

Liberalism requires a sense of social and national solidarity: a sense of shared identity and mutual interests between the governed and the government, resulting in political parties and institutions that protect our hard-won liberties rather than undermining them because they think they know best. In its drive to deny England and Englishness, New Labour has systematically subverted any kind of sense of a shared English national project and heritage of liberty at the very time - and by the very same process - as it made these things out to be British, and itself as the defender of this Britishness to be (re)constructed. No possibility of liberalism when the national identity and liberal tradition of the majority of the British people is denied any official expression or right of self-governance.

Toque said:

Thu, 2008-08-07 15:24

Blairite illiberalism?  Do you mean "Brownite illiberalism" or "Social Democrat illiberalism"?  I don't think you can lay all the blame at Blair's door.  It seems to me that government has become more illiberal since the author of the Red Book of Scotland took power, the entire Labour party is infested with authoritarian control freaks.

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