I am not in agreement with muhammadbadr's shrill words, but I do think that the reaction is to be expected, considering the abandon with which the author of this post uses the idiotic term "Londonistan" without any qualification. How such a silly word can be used without any exploration, any challenging of the horribly loaded discourse from which it springs, confounds me.

muhammadbadr there are lots of ways that we try to "have our cake and eat it too", and even more ways in which our ancestors had a cake we are still eating. But i wonder if it is true any longer that we believe we can usually "have our cake and eat it", especially with respect to immigrant integration - we are _very_ aware of all the constraints we face; in fact, I wonder if anyone can see a path through the constraints. I wonder which specific way you are talking about. I agree with you that a globalised, peaceful world cannot run on the basis that anyone can avoid the responsibilities and consequences of their actions. But I'd much prefer a debate that went into the detail - please continue! finsalscollons It is not true that terrorsim is only Muslim, or even mainly Muslim. Can I recommend to you my colleague Kanishk Tharoor excellent daily security briefings that will give you a much better picture of the state of terror in the world than you tend to get in the Western media, which has, I fear, failed in its duty of truthfulness in its demonisation Islam.

The previous post (that of muhammadbadr) is just one example more of Muslim victimism. The fact that terrorism arises in Muslim European populations is the West's fault (so, for example, the main responsibility of killing 9/11civilians doesn't lie in (Muslim) terrorists but in the West). Always it's the West's fault. It is impossible in Arab culture to admit one's own faults or responsibility. So childish. In fact, the fault is shared. No doubt the West has made a lot of misdeeds (not only the Muslim world is the victim of imperialism, but only the Muslim world produces terrorism). But the main problem of Muslim world lies in its own culture. Only during a year Spain publishes more books than the whole Muslim world in all its history (more than a thousand years). A culture where violence against the infidel is encouraged, where women are discriminated, where dimmi are second-class citizen, where no country has democracy (with the exception of the secularized Turkey), where authoritharism and corruption are rampant, where modern knowledge is despised in favour of a medieval mindset (as if we were living in the century of Muhammad). Even worse, a culture where it is not allowed to admit one's own mistakes so one cannot correct them. It is useful to find a scapegoat (Jews, Sionism or the West) to blame everything that is broken in Muslim countries. "You see the splinter that is in your friend’s eye, but you do not see the fencepost that is in your own"

Let me suppose something outrageous. Let me propose that we start from a place where the degree's, PhD's, etc..etc.. of people like Tony Curzon Price aren't woth the paper that they are written on. Let me propose that the banlieues, french republicanism and british 'multi culti' are completely irrelevant. Now I know I don't have a PhD in social whatever, and I don't have a successful career in journalism, but indulge me for a few lines. Let me propose that an attitude which on the one hand is comfortable exploiting a certain section of people for some gains, whilst on the other is uncomfortable with the consequences of injustice, (just like the fly tipper is uncomfortable with rubbish being left on his doorstep), is the problem. Now the problem is that the West doesn't realise that you cannot have your cake and eat it too. I put it to you that that is the ONLY problem! And I also put it to you that it is actually YOUR problem (oh you who talks about human beings as one would talk about a colony of migrating insects or rabbits) Now justify your big degree and your big career and refute that logic if you please. Otherwise........I think you get the point.