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Russia/Georgia: War of the Web

Evgeny Morozov, 13 - 08 - 2008
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In its war with Georgia, the first truly global user-generated conflict, Russia's digital guerillas have been drafted into a state-waged propaganda war

When a few years ago Jay Rosen, a professor of journalism at NYU and one of the chief proponents of citizen journalism, tried to describe the fundamental shift in the balance of power between the media and the public caused by blogs and other forms of user-generated content, he famously spoke of "the people formerly known as the audience". "[They] are simply the public made realer, less fictional, more able, less predictable", he stated in a rather solemn tone.

Call me elitist, but I never fully embraced the notion that this great unwinding of reality, fiction, and predictability merited that much celebration. Watching the information wars of the last few months-first in China in the aftermath of the Tibet and the Olympics protests and now in Russia in light of its war with Georgia ands its coverage in the Western media-I couldn't help but wonder if Rosen fully understood all the implications of his otherwise spot-on diagnosis.

My biggest problem with Rosen's optimism is that, when applied in the international context-where "media" are the CNNs and the BBCs of this world, and the public are the Russians and the Chinese angry with their coverage (most often because their governments told them so) - it is not at all clear what those "former audiences" have really morphed into. Rosen is correct: passive they are no more. They-and especially the young people- are all actively producing information on blogs, forums, and comment sections of the sites belonging to some of the most venerable names in the news media. But could it be that the people formerly known as the audience have become the people currently known as the information warriors?

The online spats that have followed the information war between Russia and the West lend much evidence to this claim (notice that Russians don't view this as an information war between Russia and Georgia - it's an information war with the whole of the Western media which, according to the most bellicose of Russians, plays along with Georgia). This information war is the first truly global user-generated conflict: the war of the professional sound bites and the TV imagery has been relegated to the background, with blogs and comments playing the leading role (the most egregious of the professional TV propaganda have found a temporary home on YouTube). Even the conventional cyberwarfare - the hacking of servers and the defamation of sites, while also present in this campaign, seems of very little strategic importance to either side in this conflict.

The Western media conspiracy

Instead, it is the comment sections and forums of New York Times, BBC, CNN, The Guardian and the like - and some of the silliest online polls that they organized (e.g. CNN's "Do you think Russia's actions in Georgia are justified?") - that are the real battleground for the ultimate truth. Russians have taken to these websites in droves, posting links, photos, facts - anything that could only convince their Western counterparts that they live inside an anti-Russian media bubble constructed by complicit Western corporate media advancing political interests of their countries (detailed media analysis of the CNN coverage and the coverage of the conflict in the British media was quick to follow). As most of these sites have a strict moderation policy and don't publish openly extremist comments, many Russians only get angrier: their deeply held suspicions of a big media conspiracy against Russia have been proven again.

Some Russians want to engage with the West so badly that those of them who didn't speak English started posting templates with messages like this one with comments that contained links to inaccuracies in reporting and coverage exhibited by a handful of Western media (Google spotted more than 600 identical instances of this very comment springing up in the last few days). Some Russians may not have fully understood what they were posting, but they were confident that it was a good way to educate their peers abroad and help their country in an unfair struggle with the Western media.

In theory, this sounds wonderful: people whose opinions were badly suppressed for ages have finally acquired a voice and are eager to engage with the world, providing ample material for case-studies in the soon-to-be-published textbooks on intercultural online communications. But, on closer examination, such conclusions ring shallow and, at best, resemble the starry-eyed optimism of utopian visionaries like Nicholas Negroponte, who, back in the mid-1990s, eagerly spoke about the end of nationalism that would happen as the whole world gets online and starts clicking.

But none of that happened; the loud chorus of mouse clicks heard around the world today sounds more like the deeply disturbing nationalist operas of Richard Wagner than the funky world beats of Peter Gabriel. That nations would finally transcend their biases and join in a globalist unison extolling their commonly shared virtues of human rights and liberalism was the never-fulfilled early promise of the Internet. Given the loud and all-pervasive nationalist outcry heard around the Web today, even the truly internationalist online outlets may soon need to qualify their names to reflect this disturbing reality. "Feeble Global Voices" would be a more appropriate way to describe the rapidly shrinking online influence that even the most brilliant among them exercise today.

Netizens unite!

The fundamental element missing from Jay Rosen's analysis is the difference in the starting conditions between the political situation in the US and places like China and Russia, where the state still plays a key role in most political, economic, and social processes. While the Internet may have diminished the already-dwindling influence of traditional media, it may have done much to augment - often in subtle and non-obvious ways - the influence of the state.

What happened in Russia is that the people formerly known as the audience did not have to wait too long for a new identity; many of them simply got drafted (or volunteered) to assist in state-waged propaganda wars, sometimes even launching and leading guerrilla campaigns of their own. With the advent of the blogosphere, Goebbel's famous line - "if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" -- has taken an entirely new meaning. Now, the state doesn't even have to repeat it - they just need to loudly pronounce it once and the digital guerrillas will do all the necessary repeating.

The only important role left for the state then is to convince the netizens that the stakes are high and that there is a real enemy out there that could be fought online. Thus, one of the primary objectives of the Kremlin-funded propaganda machine has been to paint the West - and particularly most of the Western media- as ignorant, biased, and mired in opinion, not reporting. The bet was that as more and more ordinary Russians are convinced that the West is dishonest, it would be much easier to fend off any real and substantiated criticism and accusation from abroad. The eagerness with which many Russians have taken to the Web during the war with Georgia proves that Kremlin's bet has paid off.

One of the chief ways to create such a climate was to fund the proliferation of sites that would selectively pick reports from the Western media, translate them into Russian, and offer ample space for commentary, often resulting in many articles amassing thousands of comments from angry Russians. The primary pillars of this e-smear campaign in Russia have been sites like Inosmi.ru (a shorthand for "Foreign Media", owned by the infamous RIA Novosti agency) and, to a lesser extent, Inopressa.ru (a shorthand for "Foreign Press", it belongs to Newsru agency ).

These sites would typically pick a dozen articles from the foreign media - mostly American and British, but also that of the Baltic states and Eastern Europe - and translate them into Russian. Needless to say, they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia. This may seem relatively innocent but Inosmi has quickly gained a large following, which particularly delights in commenting on articles, mostly to report on inaccuracies in the articles and ignorance of their authors.

Sites like Inosmi do their best perpetuate the myth of the "great brainwashing" -- that the Western media is either utterly biased against Russia or simply incompetent - and that the Western public and policy-makers are being constantly kept in the dark as to the true nature of things in Russia (this in itself is quite comical, as Russians themselves squandered most of their independent media in the early Putin years; arguably, they are in much greater darkness).

That many Russians don't even consider the possibility that they themselves may have been "brainwashed" only attests to the strength of their convictions and the success of sites like Inosmi in their campaign to perpetuate the myth of the "great brainwashing". It surely the work of such sites - which now even accept voluntary translations of articles done by their readers - that explains why so many Russians all too eagerly engage in "comment warfare" on foreign web-sites: they do feel that they have something to prove.

The asymmetry of this information warfare makes it all the more potent, as, thanks to sites like Inosmi, Russians can now easily point their British and American counterparts to the low quality of BBC or CNN reporting on Russia, but most of the Brits and Americans wouldn't be able to name even a single Russian news channel (for most of them broadcast in Russian and are thus are saved from any external criticism). But reading Russian media's coverage of the West (or, more tellingly, the war with Georgia) would surely produce many more suspicions of media being too closely tied to Kremlin and entirely brainwashed by the state.

Commenting on the Western media's response to the war in South Ossetia, many Russian bloggers asked why the Kremlin wasn't doing anything in the online space and it was up to the individual bloggers to defend the pride of their motherhood. Don't the bureaucrats realise that winning the sympathies of the West is as important? The Kremlin may have been smarter: after all, why bother with artificially constructed narratives, lobbyists, and manipulating traditional media, if there are thousands of bloggers and commentators, eager to advance Kremlin's line for free, and often much more effectively?

 

 

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Jay Rosen (not verified) said:

Wed, 2008-08-13 18:12

Thanks for this most interesting post, Evgeny, and for your reference to my post, "The People Formerly Known as the Audience."

A couple of points by way of reply.

I'm not sure where you are getting this optimism I am guilty of. I didn't feel when I wrote it that I was predicting only good things would follow from the changes I was describing. I certainly did feel that the shift in power was real, and overdue, and ought to be recognized, but there is simply nothing in the post that says: "citizen journalism is going to be wonderful and the people formerly known as the audience are beneficent and wise." I urge you to read it again and try to see if you can find such a sentiment. It's not there.

The post does not specifically say this, but I was not trying to describe the situation in all social and political contexts where audiences have gained the tools to become media producers. I was talking only about relatively mature press systems in relatively open societies such as the US and Western Europe where the state is not the major player in media. Applying what I said to societies like Russia and China today would be a mistake because there the "shift in power" I talked about is immensely complicated by the media power of the state.

Thus is may very well be that that the people formerly known as the audience have become the people currently known as the information warriors.

T.Bendoraitis (not verified) said:

Sat, 2008-08-16 09:15

State taught history is a vectored and convoluted disinformation river empowering banks and industrialists. Western media is a sham. I don't know how it is in other cultures but brain washing in the west is atrocious. It is the tool of the suits which demonize those who would challenge the validity or reality of conflicts and genocides as taught in schools and presented as a daily diet by the mind controllers, basically, to all and everyone who doesn't fall for IMF and CFR propaganda. The internet allows collaboration of the masses and the dissemination of experience as lived by the victims or participants. Of course the liars will have their own sponsored blogs trying to minimize the information onslaught as in damage control. Things are moving fast now since if the truth starts to emerge, the suits with their silent and transparent faces that actually control the likes of Bush, Harper, Putin etc. and the latter themselves might fear the wrath of a cohesive international proletariat, the greatest force on earth if united in truth against the Midas God worshippers.

Alexey (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 08:27

Evgeny, inosmi.ru doesn't publish just bad reports about Russia, there are many good ones. Speaking about me, I am used at reading foreign newspapers everyday with russian ones. And I see myself that the majority of articles about us is like those published at inosmi.ru. That shows why bad articles are more numbered than good ones.
By the way, your critical article was translated and published at inosmi:
http://inosmi.ru/stories/07/12/26/3524/243970.html
That's simply a freedom of speaking, nothing more.
Евгений, сайт inosmi.ru публикует не только плохие статьи, но и хорошие. Лично я каждый день читаю иностранную прессу вместе с российской и своими глазами вижу, что бóльшая часть статей именно такая, какая публикуется на inosmi в большинстве случаев. Вот почему плохих статей публикуется больше, чем хороших: просто плохих вообще больше.
Кстати, ваша критическая статья была переведена и опубликована на inosmi:
http://inosmi.ru/stories/07/12/26/3524/243970.html
Это просто свобода слова, ничего более.

Vodka, kgb, putin. (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 08:37

Friends, greetings from Russia. I am Russian agent KGB (now, thanks to the author, you know that all Russian - agents KGB). Putin has forced me to tell you that this article is also an example of propaganda. If people do not view coincides with the views of the author, it is the fault of people. Excellent propaganda. The author says: "Do not listen to the Russians even if they show the facts and videos, and do not listen to them if they speak the truth. Listen to us (me, CCN, BBC), we liar, but we are good." Good luck, but I need to go tortured infant and drink his blood.

qk6735 (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 08:43

such a BIG article about nothing. много букв ни о чем

Marat Zakirov (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 10:08

The Author of this text itself does not understand that writes! If article is published in west newspaper - Washigton Post, New York Times, Gardian and others - it is freedom of speech? But if translation of this article in russian language is published on InoSMI - it is already propaganda of Kremlin? But if in response to this will become the russian participants of forum InoSMI write their own commentary - it is already cybernetic guerrillas, which victims of propaganda of Kremlin? The Author really thinks that readers of Opendemocracy full idiots?

Marat Zakirov (Perm-city, Russia)
muaddib_2000@mail.ru

andrew1 (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 10:17

"Needless to say, they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia. This may seem relatively innocent but Inosmi has quickly gained a large following, which particularly delights in commenting on articles, mostly to report on inaccuracies in the articles and ignorance of their authors."

You published!!

http://www.inosmi.ru/stories/07/12/26/3524/243970.html

:)

andrew12 (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 10:33

"Needless to say, they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia. This may seem relatively innocent but Inosmi has quickly gained a large following, which particularly delights in commenting on articles, mostly to report on inaccuracies in the articles and ignorance of their authors."

You published!!

http://www.inosmi.ru/stories/07/12/26/3524/243970.html

:)

Stas (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 10:52

Ahh - many thanks for your honest confession, that simple & plain translating western media to russian make more effect, than all Soviet propaganda could ever do! Just reading, how the largest media imaging Russia, totally sweeps off any illusions about "friendly partners" or so...

And, about inosmi.ru - nice to hear your other confession, that largest western media in fact, "full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia", as you said - because, you know, inosmi translates mostly grands of media, not just extremists papers.

Konstantin_K (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 10:52

"These sites would typically pick a dozen articles from the foreign media - mostly American and British, but also that of the Baltic states and Eastern Europe - and translate them into Russian. Needless to say, they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia."
Very funny. Because it's all about articles from Times, WP, WSJ, NYP and so.

advent (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 11:13

Аффтар! Жжошь! On InoSMI transfers of the most worthy European and American editions, such as "The Financial Times", "The Times", "Le Monde", "The Guardian" and many other things give all the best. I think to Europeans it will be interesting to learn that mister Morozov defines this editions as "examples bad quality work and stereotypic thinking about Russia". Article nonprofessional, neoterminated, not supported with examples and the facts (especially personal point of view). Russians - patriots in a shower, our unity, our ability to think, our sense of humour - a subject of envy of many foreigners. Mister Morozov, you can also Russian by name, but in your soul of Russian gramme. To all other "well-wishers" I wish to inform that in Russia all is fine, in streets at us do not shoot and for jokes about Putin do not shoot. ВЫПЕЙ ЙАДУ, dear Morozov.

Фома (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 11:15

It is gratifying to see how its author an article called "the most abominable." :).

His article posted on Inosmi, http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/243970.html

Commentators thank - have not been such delirium in the press, missed.

Not logged in (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 11:34

Funny. I read the translation of your article on inosmi.ru:
http://www.inosmi.ru/stories/07/12/26/3524/243970.html

I know english. May be not excellent, but sufficient to understand that translation is correct.
You suppose that all russian bloggers are the victims of state informational policy. Aha, and we all live in Matrix and everything is illusion. ))

Of course, in some details you are right. Especially regarding our television.

You know, may be you forgot, but there is a large amount of well educated people in Russia. We can make our own judgments about different situations, regarding the availability of internet, foreign TV channels & newspapers.
As for me, I also tried to communicate to people in the web. For example, only 1 (I suppose by mistake)) ) of 3 of my comments for articles on the Reuters did pass moderetation. There were no abuse, no extrimism - just pure facts.
What can you tell me about the info policy in my country when we all saw that disgrace of Fox News.
What about CNN? I saw full (russian) version of Putin's interview. Afterwards I saw redacted CNN version ))
These are only most popular "nominations",
these are only few of "my" examples.
Many russians from other countries complied that their comments were banned, there letters were ignored, etc.

We don't leave in matrix... May be you?
Sorry for mistakes (I'm sure there are some).

P.S. there was 1 site, that didn't block any of my comments. I don't remember exatcly the name... May be "truthdig"...

Pavlik Morozov (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 11:40

Exactly. Inosmi.ru translates mostly from the leading western online newspapers and rarely misses _any_ article related to Russia, other than the redundant ones (ones that reuse the same cliches and say nothing substantially new). Therefore Zhenya Morozov accused the leading western press of publishing "heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia". You said it, Zhenya!

LHLeon (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 12:15

We not кибер guerrillas. We info defence means. But, certainly, we are not directed against the western mass-media, we are directed against Iran.))))) No, the truth, I do not joke!))))))

LHLeon (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 12:18

We not digital guerrillas. We info defence means. But, certainly, we are not directed against the western mass-media, we are directed against Iran.))))) No, the truth, I do not joke!))))))

Petyan (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 12:25

LOL

Isn't it obvious that the propoganda machine is working full scale all across the world?
In Russia it works in an old fashioned 'just say what we whant you to say' direct way.
In the west it works a modern 'we are democratic and open: there fore we do not lie, say something wrong and your competitor will get all the hot news, you will get none, your rating will die' style.

P.S.
Evgeny, this article has been translated and is posted at InoSmi now :)

koptenarius (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 12:36

You may see the translation of this article on http://www.inosmi.ru/translation/243970.html
Are you still sure about "brainwashed" :-)

MiniMax (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 12:41

"Needless to say, they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia."

You don't have to trouble yourself with picking "heinous articles ... full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia". But you need to do your best if you want to find an unbiased and objective one.

go to inosmi.ru and take a look.

As one might expect, "most of the Brits and Americans wouldn't be able to name even a single Russian news channel".
Well, watch "Russia Today"...

Vodka-balalaika (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 12:57

Hi, my American friends. I am Russian agent KGB (as you already know, all Russian - agents KGB). The Kremlin ordered to convey that this article is an example of propaganda. The author says: Do not believe Russian even if they speak the truth and reveal facts and video. Believe us (me, CNN, BBC), we liar, but we are good. A good example of propaganda. Good luck. I need time to go to work brutalise the infant and drink his blood.

Wulf (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 13:12

Hi, my American friends. I am Russian agent KGB (as you already know, all Russian - agents KGB). The Kremlin ordered to convey that this article is an example of propaganda. The author says: Do not believe Russian even if they speak the truth and reveal facts and video. Believe us (me, CNN, BBC), we liar, but we are good. A good example of propaganda. Good luck. I need time to go to work brutalise the infant and drink his blood.

Pavel V. Katchalov, M.D., Ph.D. (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 14:05

Western media were condescendant and even keen to Russians during the short time of Gorbachov era (1985-91), when my people's living conditions deteriorated daily, and Russians' freedoms were very deem. Since 1991, as if having never had pardoned us for abandoning communism, I observe only the growing malice in Western media whenever they concern any thing Russian. Our new politicl freedoms made me unnecesary to emigrate westwards, as I was certain before 1991, but in the western media I did not find any shared joy, only mocking imperfection of our democracy. The Western medis comments on the terrorist attacks in Russia were outrageous, notwithstanding the efficacity of Russian authorities. Watching the Western TV-chains and reading the Western general press, I felt that Russian deads are never pitied, and those who kill Russians were always right. Signs of Russians' remaining material misery were abjected, as moral sins, and the signs of our regaining wealth were drawn with disdain and horror. I can not qualify such attitudes otherwise as anti-Russian racism. For the most Western media and their bosses we, Russians, are die Untermenschen, the orcs, to be wiped out either by our demographic problems, or by some smart weapons to be invented as soon as possible. Do not doubt: I am fluent in four Western languages, and I am often enough in the West for business, so I am not brainwashed by evil Russian translations of specially chosen Western articles. This is in the West, were I meet the brainwashed people, in the West, where I feel every year ever less comfortable to disclose my Russian identity, except very narrow circle of friens and of professional acquaintances. I have not much hope to convince anybody. I just give You a piece of my Russian mind.

Orient (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 14:39

Stupid Russians do not understand that what is written in Western media is not for their eyes. They should continue thinking (like in early ninties) that West is their best friend. I suggest that articles for Russians should be carefully selected and perhaps secretly marked so that Western readers could tell, which article is for internal (i.e. Western) use and which one is for external propaganda. Telling non-useful thruth to bears-plagued country is counterproductive.

mythbuster (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 16:50

Ha! This is ridicules Mr.Morozov! You are saying - "These sites would typically pick a dozen articles from the foreign media - mostly American and British... they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia".
Now your article published on inosmi.ru. In what category you are going to include it: most heinous, bad reporting, stereotypical or all above?
IMHO, your arguments are just a bunch of nonsenses.

Sima (Almaty) (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 17:18

How do You do. Evgenie, thanks for cheerful evening. Fine comic article. You are not so good as users of the Polish political forums , but I will hope that you will improve your author skills.
I ask you - Please continue to write, I sincerely hope that you will manage to become a new star of InoSmi.ru.
Bloody KGB Agent, Lost in sands of the Central Asia.
BTW: Citizens of America - please ask the generals of FSB to send me some boxes of vodka, my fighting bear is overheated on the sun and there is nothing to smear my nuclear balalaika.

opendemocracy said:

Fri, 2008-09-12 17:18

I read up to 10 different articles a day, some in inosmi translation but I always compare with the original if its in English, INOSMI always gives links to the original sorce. I live in States and don't watch Russian TV but even without it I could see how CNN, FOX, BBC,NBC show the news on Georgia. I didn't see anything from Ossetia it was so " game in one gates" the word invasion was repited constantly, but was ment that Russia invaded Georgia, nothing was said about Georgian military shoting sleeping city of Tshinvali killing civilians and peacekeepers, or about Ossetian refugees. The only information that got out is when reporters got confused and gave information they thought against Russia but in fact showed that agressor was Georgia, like Fox with Ossetian girl. There are witnesses from Ossetia in US I would think that media would jump on it, made intervieus, but nothing like this happened. After seeing all this I personally joined "KGB brain washed forces" to fight on the websites and show people different information.
Pavlik Morozov is Pavlik Morozov even in Africa

sitotkle (not verified) said:

Sat, 2008-10-04 20:32

Russia should not accuse U.S. and Western media of being bias. Russia could have easily won the media war if they would have allowed the international journalists in the conflict zones. What are they hiding there? If you don't let journalists in, how are they supposed to cover the other side of the story? If you deny interview requests from Western and U.S. media, how do u suppose they put you on air? I think Russian government planned the war media coverage as well as the war way in advance. Russians have no right to denounce Western coverage. You would not find any negative reporting on Russia on any state owned Russian channels. There are no indepandant journalists in Russia. The ones who dare to speak up against Putin are shot in the head and their death is never investigated. I think Russians need to figure out their media first, before denouncing other media networks

SashaK. (not verified) said:

Sat, 2008-09-13 00:47

Dear Evgenie,
I live in US already more than decade, visiting Moscow every year. I read both US and Russian (online) newspapers, watch CNN, FOX, PBS daily. So, I believe, I have more data and rights to compare our medias than you do. Unfortunately, I have to upset you, - you are brainwashed deeper than INOSMI's audience. Of course, InoSmi is art of propaganda, but you're very mistaken to conclude that they specially select "bad" articles to brainwash their readers. Unfortunately, they even have not do it, because this is the actual level of western journalistic(at least toward to Russia). And I do not thing that this is because of unprofessionalism, I think that this is just because western media is really tool of propaganda as it is in Russia.
Regarding inoSMI: During all this years, I did not remember any(!) substantial article I read in US which was not translated in inoSMI.ru ! So, it is really just a mirror, and pretty adequate one/
I would like also to say a few words about inoSMI's forum. Yes, you'll find there among thoughtful majority, the sick all-forums visitors with their primitive patriotic, antisemitic, antiwestern etc. aggressive view. I even was going to write to forum moderator to be more strict. But, after looking at other domestic and foreign forums I found that this forum moderated really very professionally, leaving forum representing full spectrum of its auditorium. BTW, you'll be surprised that most strict and aggressive forums are hosted by our liberals (try kasparov.ru etc.). So, my respect and "uvazhukha" to their Moderator.

Regards,
Sasha
California

Alexan_der (not verified) said:

Sat, 2008-09-13 06:42

Don't you think that new user-generated media indeed work? It just work to show the truth, and truth not on western side.

Translation of you article is published on http://www.inosmi.ru/stories/07/12/26/3524/243970.html. You first and last name shows that you probably know Russian and can compare translation with you article. Please inform inosmi.ru if you find mistakes or differences. You also can make a own translation and also post it on inosmi.ru.

Using usual logic, from appearance of you article on inosmi.ru, the one of the following statements must be true:

1. You article is "heinous article, full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia".
2. You lied, and inosmi.ru publish any article seems interesting for them.

Of course, from my point of view, the articles blaming Russia is much more interesting then articles which glorifies Russia.

You can take a hard task on you shoulders: please look for articles which are not "heinous article, full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia" in maistream western mass media, translate it on Russian and post on inosmi.ru.

Ragdaj (not verified) said:

Sat, 2008-09-13 07:21

"These sites would typically pick a dozen articles from the foreign media - mostly American and British, but also that of the Baltic states and Eastern Europe - and translate them into Russian. Needless to say, they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia."

My question is.... why the hell the NYT, Washington post, Times and many others are paying sailory for such incompetent employees?
And isn`t it the duty of editors, to approve material ?

lamoff (not verified) said:

Sat, 2008-09-13 08:51

"... Needless to say, they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia. ..."

Did you ment your article??? ;-)

Not logged in (not verified) said:

Sat, 2008-09-13 17:58

Viewpoint from Russia about the phrase below:

"they usually do their best to pick the most heinous articles, most of them full of bad reporting and stereotypes about Russia".

When I see, that "bad reporting and sterotypes" number if enough for EVERYDAY and nearly complete inosmi site updating, it seems to me, that covering Russia by "self-censored" is simply usual policy. Ask yourself, why so much rubbish articles are present everyday? Maybe, due to information war orders? And after completely loosing information war for Russian brains, you are seeking answers for the boss, who will ask about this? :) Your stupid "propoganda" was made by axe only, more crazy, than communist articles in Pravda in 1970-th. But Russians can create 200 feet church by axe only - Pravda was much better, than this anti-Russian rage. Congratulations! You have done the thing, communtists were dreaming about: no one Russian man beleives in American TV&newspapers. Have fun!

NikkTheTrick (not verified) said:

Sun, 2008-09-14 07:36

Agreed with all comments above - Pavlik Morozov is always Pavlik Morozov ;)

But I have one concern about voting here on this site:

I voted 1 star out of 5 for this attempt at an article.

The average rating before my vote was 4 full stars.

After I voted 1/5 it actually became 4 stars plus a small piece of fifth star...

Now, it says there are only 6 votes. A 1/5 vote in that situation should have dropped the average score dramatically, but instead it was *increased*.

So, it seems like democracy is very open here indeed ;)

LHLeon (not verified) said:

Sun, 2008-09-14 18:27

You have voted so in vain. Article is magnificent... As a joke. I so did not laugh for a long time already. I voted 5 star out of 5 ))))

opendemocracy said:

Sun, 2008-09-14 14:47

Are you sure , NickTheTrick?

I've just tried - it allows you to change your votes as often as you like - and when I vote 1 star, the average immediately goes down as expected.

Tony

Irene Glasgow (not verified) said:

Sun, 2008-09-14 14:52

I've lived in the States since 1976. To find a decent reporting regarding Russia is almost an impossible proposition. I will be grateful if the esteemed author pointed me in the right direction! :-))
You see, I am a volunteer translator for the InoSmi.ru. I try very hard to find such unbiased articles! Every time I find one, the reaction from the readers is extremely positive. Unfortunately, if I was employed by the InoSmi and paid by piece, I would be pennyless!
Just when Georgia attacked South Ossetia, I had my two thoroughly American granddaughters visiting me in Russia where I was spending summer. When they returned to their prospective universities in the USA, they were met with awe. Every friend of theirs thought they had a harrowing experience in St.Petersburg and Moscow, with Russia being "at war".
Witnessing the Georgian aggression against its own people, they became quite interested in the biased way the USA was reporting hte events.
One of my granddaughters is studying to be a doctor. She volunteers in a veteran hospital. Talking to one of the vets she told him about her newly forming misgivings regarding the American media. His reply truly surprised him. He explained to her how the American media was lying about EVERYTHING that he and his friends experienced in Iraq. He said that ever since he's come back he doesn't believe anything that newspapers in the USa put out.
Thanks to you and your kin, dear Mr.Morozov, my granddaughters are learning not to trust their own media!
Why would you expect the Russian readers trust you, pray, tell, if even American readers don't trust you?
Thank God for the sites like www.antiwar.com, they bring their readers the truth about your so-called "Democratic" points of view.
BTW, do you consider the Georgian president a war criminal? He ordered the deadly attack against his own countrymen. He claims they are HIS people, right?! Then why did he order soldiers to kill and maim children, women and old men?

489222 (not verified) said:

Sun, 2008-09-14 17:36

Билять, чего вы тут мильон ссыок понапихали? У кого мозги есть тот сам бы и нашел. а ваще, судя по коментам, енто говно кроме русских никто не читает!

W_K (not verified) said:

Mon, 2008-09-15 07:31

Ok. Show us few good articles about Russia on Time/CNN/BBC, that not translated in Russian on InoSmi))))
I read news sight in Russian and in english, most of interesting articles translated in Russian)
I think, that you liar)

Kent (not verified) said:

Mon, 2008-09-15 07:47

Here is it - a modern heinous Kremlin propaganda. Communists, that wretch fellows were, did propaganda themselves. Now, Kremlin must only find the most heinous articles from heinous west sources and translate. And OK!

a guest (not verified) said:

Mon, 2008-09-15 11:33

That's total crap. I read both inosmi (not very often now though) and such online media as guardian, wp, and times. Inosmi represents absolutely adequatelty what is published in these media. Also inosmi is a good place to search for other western media. In most cases they provide the link to the original piece so that anyone can go and read the information from the source. The rest of it is crap too but thats just too long to explain.

Da Russia (not verified) said:

Mon, 2008-09-15 12:24

Yeah, inosmi.ru used for brainwashing - that's just completely ridiculous.

Not logged in (not verified) said:

Fri, 2008-10-31 07:32

(I ask a pardon for my bad English!) I have read through your clause and there was a desire to express the indignation of that antiRussian propagation and lie by which your clause is impregnated! The arrogance and hypocrisy will ruin UK and America! I lived 10 years in Israel (at me the Israeli citizenship) and as thousand left for Israel in 1991 - in 1998 I have returned to Russia, to Moscow! Last ten years I live in Moscow. I having visited many countries, would tell so: Russia - NEW, Russia-HAS changed, and the USA and UK- have remained in 80th years!" Cold war " and propagation against Russia NEVER came to an end and it is the fact, many clever people in Israel and all over the world understand it! As soon as Russia became weak in 90 – America, UK and the West as a whole at once have started to use this weakness in the purposes: to expand NATO, to finance the footmen Yuschenko, Saakashvili, to create military bases in the Europe and in Asia, to conduct the antiRussian propagation in all directions! America always considered strong Russia and considers as threat of the hegemony, to the sovereignty! I, as well as many my Israeli friends we consider, that America has made a historical mistake when in 90 has started to support drunkard Yeltsin and to help it to plunder Russia when has started to cover thieves and gangsters who plundered Russian people, to use weakness of Russia, to finance tyrants in Georgia and Ukraine, naming their democrats! America in the future will very dearly pay for this mistake, since for 95 % of Russians today, America is an enemy! Putin is the most westernized politician from possible for today in Russia, but to vegetables of cold war, such as Bush it to not understand, they live still a policy 80! In Russia all people considers, that on expansion of NATO it is necessary to return bases to Cuba, necessary to build new nuclear rockets, the ships, to distribute the Russian-Chinese influence by the same ways as it is done by America! Why it "is possible" for America, and Russia, or still someone "IS impossible" for China, Iran, Canada??? Really you think, what writing down every year all the new and new countries in " an axis of a harm " America remains the influential country? America harms to Russia in economy where can, for example, agitates to build oil pipelines and gas mains around of Russia... And as you look at if China or Russia will finance and will change a mode in Mexico (which has come to power very doubtful by!) also will start with Mexico to sell oil " around of America "? The world has changed! If America and UK wants, that with it respected - IT SHOULD RESPECT with OTHERS, Including Russia!

GenaMatogen (not verified) said:

Tue, 2008-11-11 12:01

Guy's there is a one moment else
"With the advent of the blogosphere, Goebbel's famous line - "if you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it" -- has taken an entirely new meaning. Now, the state doesn't even have to repeat it - they just need to loudly pronounce it once and the digital guerrillas will do all the necessary repeating."

Is it direct blame of goverment in lie? Bud then What is acsactly the lie?
It's a key moment of this article without wich it loses the point.....

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