Mary Fitzgerald: I’m Mary Fitzgerald, and I’m the editor-in-chief of openDemocracy. Today, I’m talking to Dawn Foster, journalist and author of Lean Out, a very carefully chosen title, a response to Sheryl Sandberg's book Lean In. And I think I’ll probably start by asking you to define what you understood Sheryl Sandberg to mean, by ‘leaning in’, and then what ‘leaning out’ is by contrast.
Dawn Foster: I suppose, when I first read Sheryl Sandberg's book, which was given to my flatmate who works in IT, I found it very interesting that she’d been given the book, first of all.
MF: Who gave it to her?